03-01-2004, 22:03
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I've got a friend who is running a private school based on a home-school curriculum (from The Well Trained Mind). Their school, at www.aceschool.org, is doing phenomenally on the classical curriculum. The students have blown everyone away, and they are expanding under the pressure of increasing demand from fantastic word-of-mouth recommendations.
On a practical note, for anyone interested in home-schooling I recommend the above book and:
Left Back: A Century of Battles Over School Reform
Talk about a book that will help you understand what you're getting into IF YOU DO NOT home-school. At any rate, both excellent reads for those on both sides of the debate.
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03-01-2004, 22:04
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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Since Jimbo tried to save me in the KURD thread, I have to make a little note.
TR, Sir. I see it as a "best of both worlds" opportunity to educate your children if you have parents as involved and dedicated to their child's growth as these home school parents are. It is an option to send your kids to high school and then when they get home educate them on the topics you find important. That way, they get an edge on all the other kids. You also have a chance with this time to critically evaluate and discuss with your child any PC or liberal slanted comments that a teacher exposes them too.
In the end, you would have the best of both worlds.
Again, I really do admire the people who make efforts to raise their children the way the see it best. That is far more admirable than someone who just bitches about the schools, but does nothing to change or alter their childs development. Well, that and BILL is the first person to teach me to sharpen a knife successfully so he must be one HELL of a teacher. LOL
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Well said, Kurd-oppressing reactionary imperialist running dog capitalist lackey. I'm starting to like you again.
Jimbo reminds me of that one kid that always wanted to poke the wasp's nest with the stick.
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03-01-2004, 22:11
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Something else I don't like about schools, especially elementary level. Too much anonymous pressure is put on kids to achieve such and such by a certain time. Kids develop at extremely different rates. To say that a child HAS to be able to read or add by a certain age is wrong to me. These should be guidelines, not have the stigma of failure attached. And I think in home school, you would get a more tailored to the child approach. The kid had a little trouble with potty training, but I wouldn't pressure him. Everybody said "Oh he's 2, you have to get him out of those diapers." I just ignored them. Well, he has a cousin a couple years older and everyday he listened to his cousin talk about school. So one day he tells me he wants to go to school.
"Well, you can't go wearing diapers, there's nobody to change them. You learn to go to the bathroom by yourself and I'll sign you up."
Potty trained in one day, his mother taught him, because he wanted to do it, not because somebody made him.
What happens in a school when you don't understand something? They make a cursory attempt to clarify, then move on. If you home school, you can spend all the time necessary on the subject until it is truly learned.
I would do it in a heartbeat if I could.
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03-01-2004, 22:25
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I too would homeschool if it was possible.
Since I can't, I spend alot of time talking with the teachers. In a classroom of 18, the teacher said only two other parents work with her. I'm dumbfounded by this remark. You can't expect a public school to raise your children, no more than you can expect a Sunday School teacher. You have to set the standards and lead from the front.
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03-01-2004, 22:30
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I too would homeschool if it was possible.
Since I can't, I spend alot of time talking with the teachers. In a classroom of 18, the teacher said only two other parents work with her. I'm dumbfounded by this remark. You can't expect a public school to raise your children, no more than you can expect a Sunday School teacher. You have to set the standards and lead from the front.
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I couldn't agree more. When I'm home, I pick The Kid up from school myself. I go a little early and spy through the door glass, then sit out next to the sidewalk on a planter box where she has to pass right by me. And we talk. It may be only a minute, but its every day. It takes an hour out of my day, but the peace of mind is tremendous. Funny the things you can learn in a 60 second conversation.
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03-01-2004, 22:34
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Interesting topic, this home schooling. I was dead set against it at the begining but have done a 180 degree change. The socialization argument seems to be promoted heaviest by the teachers union members because it's the only ding they think they can make stick against "home schoolin' " My children swim at the top of a very competitive swim team, take classes away from home in physics and latin and have the oppurtinity to watch me and see if I'm worth a crap or not in this society. I, like Jimbo can only speak from my personal experience. Jimbo Sir, please understand I value the hard questions and wiil not shrink from them. What I absolutely will not allow is my children to be trained by failed liberal democratic members in our local teachers union who never knew how to succeed in independently owned business which to this day employs more people than all the corporations in the United States combined. This is the underlying and unseen fabric upon which this nation was both built and still depends. At no point in public education is this addressed or respected. I have had some success at combining multiple disciplines, involving a little critical thinking, into my work. Failure in this means no food or shelter because I work with no backup. It is said that it is best to lead by example and this hopefully is an important component of the home schooling in this house which is not available in our children in the local public schools. Interesting topic. Bill
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03-01-2004, 22:36
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Interesting topic, this home schooling. I was dead set against it at the begining but have done a 180 degree change. The socialization argument seems to be promoted heaviest by the teachers union members because it's the only ding they think they can make stick against "home schoolin' " My children swim at the top of a very competitive swim team, take classes away from home in physics and latin and have the oppurtinity to watch me and see if I'm worth a crap or not in this society. I, like Jimbo can only speak from my personal experience. Jimbo Sir, please understand I value the hard questions and wiil not shrink from them. What I absolutely will not allow is my children to be trained by failed liberal democratic members in our local teachers union who never knew how to succeed in independently owned business which to this day employs more people than all the corporations in the United States combined. This is the underlying and unseen fabric upon which this nation was both built and still depends. At no point in public education is this addressed or respected. I have had some success at combining multiple disciplines, involving a little critical thinking, into my work. Failure in this means no food or shelter because I work with no backup. It is said that it is best to lead by example and this hopefully is an important component of the home schooling in this house which is not available in our children in the local public schools. Interesting topic. Bill
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Class. Class! CLASS! Questions?
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03-01-2004, 22:38
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What I absolutely will not allow is my children to be trained by failed liberal democratic members in our local teachers union who never knew how to succeed in independently owned business which to this day employs more people than all the corporations in the United States combined. This is the underlying and unseen fabric upon which this nation was both built and still depends. At no point in public education is this addressed or respected.
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This is my favorite part. "What I absolutely will not allow..." Sounds like Woodrow Call in Lonesome Dove.
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03-01-2004, 22:38
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Well said Sir.
Alright, hiijack time. Who has a story they can post in the new forum on AProfSoldier. Ambush master has two in there.. who's next?
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03-01-2004, 22:44
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Did you say froggy or groggy?
The more perspectives a student is exposed to the more able they must be to critically examine them and make an assessment. There are more perspectives available to a student in a public school than in their home. In the handful of home-schooled people I have known and worked with, their relatively narrow range of experinces has made a noticeable impact. That is all I am saying, folks. It is an honest observation. Sorry if that makes some people feel uncomfortable.
NDD, you are right, kids do progress at different rates, which lays open the possibility that a child will learn not only from their teachers and their parents but also from other students (both inside and outside the classroom).
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03-01-2004, 22:47
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OH HELL... 
((( WARNING... THIS THREAD HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN UPGRADED TO .....))))))
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03-01-2004, 22:49
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What I absolutely will not allow is my children to be trained by failed liberal democratic members in our local teachers union who never knew how to succeed in independently owned business which to this day employs more people than all the corporations in the United States combined.
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It might be the jet lag, or the public schooling, but I'm a little lost on this point.
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03-01-2004, 22:52
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Children are in school to learn basic tasks. Readin', Ritin' and 'Rithmetic. If you had kids you would know the last thing you want them learning is what the other kids want to teach them.
Its just like the wannabes talking to each other about the Q course. Its always bad poop. Now, after a dude graduates from the Q course (has the basic skills), he can begin to apply reasoning and critical thought. The problem today is the kids don't get a good foundation in the basics. Its like you being on an A Team and trying to give your 02 cents about the mission when all you did to get there is sit in a classroom with 30 other guys and listen to a leg tell about what he thinks SF is. Doesn't work does it?
Now you've gone from critical thought to the socialization issue.
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03-01-2004, 22:55
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It might be the jet lag, or the public schooling, but I'm a little lost on this point.
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How is your situational awareness right now?
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03-01-2004, 22:59
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OK, so you want me to drop the subject? Done.
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