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Old 06-27-2021, 07:53   #91
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So, again I need to say it…I need to ask: Where are the Admirals? Where are the Generals? Where are my fellow Veterans? Why are we allowing this racist cancer to infect the ranks of the most educated, most talented, and most lethal military to ever exist in human history?
I will stand with you Tonyz! This is the generational fight with everything on the line.
Thank you for posting the American Thinker article. Of course I do not need to tell you that the Admirals and Generals are AWOL and it's up to us brother. No surprise there huh?
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Old 06-27-2021, 16:50   #92
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Glenn Greenwald, in the article below, continues the discussion on some seemingly unusual military priorities and concerns.

Recall, General Milley is The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and as such is the highest-ranking and most senior military officer in the United States Armed Forces and is the principal military advisor to the president, the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, and the secretary of defense.

Given that enormous role and those responsibilities...it does not seem unusual that his recent comments (along with the subject of the OP here - the appointment of a DIE (diversity, inclusion & equity) Czar at SOCOM) be given scrutiny.


What is Behind Gen. Mark Milley's Righteous Race Sermon? Look to the New Domestic War on Terror.

The overarching ideology of Pentagon officials is larger military budgets and ongoing permanent war posture. Their new war target, explicitly, is domestic "white rage."

Glenn Greenwald
June 25, 2021


For two hundred forty years, American generals have not exactly been defined by adamant public advocacy for left-wing cultural dogma. Yet there appeared to be a great awakening at the Pentagon on Wednesday when Gen. Mark Milley, the highest-ranking military officer in the U.S. as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified at a House hearing. The Chairman vehemently defended the teaching of critical race theory at West Point and, referencing the January 6 Capitol riot, said, “it is important that we train and we understand ... and I want to understand white rage. And I'm white."

In response to conservative criticisms that top military officials should not be weighing in on inflammatory and polarizing cultural debates, liberals were ecstatic to have found such an empathetic, racially aware, and humanitarian general sitting atop the U.S. imperial war machine. Overnight, Gen. Milley became a new hero for U.S. liberalism, a noble military leader which — like former FBI Director Robert Mueller before him — no patriotic, decent American would question let alone mock. Some prominent liberal commentators warned that conservatives are now anti-military and even seek to defund the Pentagon.

It is, of course, possible that the top brass of the U.S. military has suddenly become supremely enlightened on questions of racial strife and racial identity in the U.S., and thus genuinely embraced theories that, until very recently, were the exclusive province of left-wing scholars at elite academic institutions. Given that all U.S. wars in the post-World War II era have been directed at predominantly non-white countries, which — like all wars — required a sustained demonization campaign of those enemy populations, having top Pentagon officials become leading anti-racism warriors would be quite a remarkable transformation indeed. But stranger things have happened, I suppose.

But perhaps there is another explanation other than righteous, earnest transformation as to why the top U.S. General has suddenly expressed such keen interest in studying and exploring "white rage”. Note that Gen. Milley's justification for the military's sudden immersion in the study of modern race theories is the January 6 Capitol riot — which, in the lexicon of the U.S. security state and American liberalism, is called The Insurrection. When explaining why it is so vital to study "white rage,” Gen. Milley argued:

What is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the Constitution of the United States of America? What caused that? I want to find that out. I want to maintain an open mind here, and I do want to analyze it.

The post-WW2 military posture of the U.S. has been endless war. To enable that, there must always be an existential threat, a new and fresh enemy that can scare a large enough portion of the population with sufficient intensity to make them accept, even plead for, greater military spending, surveillance powers, and continuation of permanent war footing. Starring in that war-justifying role of villain have been the Communists, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Russia, and an assortment of other fleeting foreign threats.

According to the Pentagon, the U.S. intelligence community, and President Joe Biden, none of those is the greatest national security threat to the United States any longer. Instead, they all say explicitly and in unison, the gravest menace to American national security is now domestic in nature. Specifically, it is "domestic extremists” in general — and far-right white supremacist groups in particular — that now pose the greatest threat to the safety of the homeland and to the people who reside in it.

In other words, to justify the current domestic War on Terror that has already provoked billions more in military spending and intensified domestic surveillance, the Pentagon must ratify the narrative that those they are fighting in order to defend the homeland are white supremacist domestic terrorists. That will not work if white supremacists are small in number or weak and isolated in their organizing capabilities. To serve the war machine's agenda, they must pose a grave, pervasive and systemic threat.

Viewed through that lens, it makes perfect sense that Gen. Milley is spouting the theories and viewpoints that underlie this war framework and which depicts white supremacy and "white rage” as a foundational threat to the American homeland. A new domestic War on Terror against white supremacists and right-wing extremists is far more justifiable if, as Gen. Milley strongly suggested, it was "white rage” that fueled an armed insurrection that, in the words of President Biden, is the greatest assault on American democracy since the Civil War.

Within that domestic War on Terror framework, Gen. Milley, by pontificating on race, is not providing cultural commentary but military dogma. Just as it was central to the job of a top Cold War general to embrace theories depicting Communism as a grave threat, and an equally central part of the job of a top general during the first War on Terror to do the same for Muslim extremists, embracing theories of systemic racism and the perils posed to domestic order by “white rage” is absolutely necessary to justify the U.S. Government's current posture about what war it is fighting and why that war is so imperative.

None of this means that Gen. Milley's defense of critical race theory and woke ideology is purely cynical and disingenuous. The U.S. military is a racially diverse institution and — just as is true for the CIA and FBI — endorsing modern-day theories of racial and gender diversity can be important for workplace cohesion and inspiring confidence in leadership. And many people in various sectors of American life have undergone radical changes in their speech if not their belief system over the last year — that is, after all, the purpose of the sustained nationwide protest movement that erupted in the wake of the killing of George Floyd — due either to conviction, fear of loss of position, or both. One cannot reflexively discount the possibility that Gen. Milley is among those whose views have changed as the cultural climate shifted around him.

But it is preposterously naive and deceitful to divorce Gen. Milley's steadfast advocacy of racial theories from the current war strategy of the U.S. military that he leads. The Pentagon's prime targets, by their own statements, are sectors of the U.S. population that they regard as major threats to the national security of the United States. Embracing theories that depict “white rage” and white supremacy as the source of domestic instability and violence is not just consistent with but necessary for the advancement of that mission. Put another way, the doctrine of the U.S. intelligence and military community is based on race and ideology, and it should therefore be unsurprising that the worldview promoted by top generals is racialist in nature as well.

Whatever else is true, it is creepy and tyrannical to try to place military leaders and their pronouncements about war off-limits from critique, dissent and mockery. No healthy democracy allows military officials to be venerated to the point of residing above critique. That is especially true when their public decrees are central to the dangerous attempt to turn the war posture of the U.S. military inward to its own citizens.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/wha...BPKK4A9tlMQMXg
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Old 06-27-2021, 18:26   #93
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From my view point…

That bowl full of dicks must be tasting pretty good Gen. (Turncoat) M!113y.

“I just want to keep my job!”







Which Founding Father said it would be dangerous to our Constitutional Republic to have a “standing army”? (Jefferson or Adams or was it someone else?)

ETA: James Madison gets that honor. George Mason gets an honorable mention.
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Old 06-27-2021, 18:44   #94
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Machevelli in "The Prince" talked about the dangers of a professional army. He also spoke to the topic of what to do when they are no longer needed.

I was wondering how long it would take for the current warfighters to be targeted.

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Old 06-27-2021, 19:36   #95
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Better to resign and live with one's integrity than to sell out and have to look in the mirror every day.

It isn't like there was another promotion waiting for him.

Makes me wonder how long he believed this tripe.

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Old 06-27-2021, 20:06   #96
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Better to resign and live with one's integrity than to sell out and have to look in the mirror every day.
There no need for some folks to resign if looking into the mirror is the cost of selling out - vampires cant see their own reflection in a mirror.
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Makes me wonder how long he believed this tripe.
At least since June 2020 when he rejected Trump using the Insurrection Act....then he circled back around with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to condemn the "Treason and Sedition" on January 6th 2021.

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Miley and the Joint Chiefs condemning January 6th is the Pot Calling the Kettle Black....their sedition and treason began much earlier than even June 2020.
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Better to resign and live with one's integrity than to sell out and have to look in the mirror every day.

It isn't like there was another promotion waiting for him.

Makes me wonder how long he believed this tripe.

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I don’t recall any of his policies, nor do I recall him specifically, but I highly doubt he’s ever had integrity to begin with. ETA: but hey, let’s blow up some empty buildings in Syria (or is that Libya) to take the focus away from me.) Like Gen. Mattis before him there seems to be a point of no return for the loyalties these people swallowed to get those last couple of stars. (Clearly there is an alliance to Team Obama - with McCrystal, Scott Miller, and my all time favorite Admiral McRaven.)

I knew Major General Sidney Shachnow (I know not a CJCS), and I knew General John Shalikashvili (professionally and personally), both had integrity in surplus even though they grew up under B. Clinton. I don’t remember Hugh Shelton selling out the military for political theater either but, while I disagree with his political views and continued support of the Clinton crime family, I believe him to be an honorable man with an abundance of integrity and respect for the office of Commander and Chief - regardless of who sits in the chair. In my life/career I don’t ever recall the CJCS selling out the troops for political purposes no matter how misguided some of their actions were (Colon Powell).

I’m certain that General John Kelly kept a secret ring-knocker handshake to undermine the Trump presidency and the power within the swamp of D.C politics was alive and well and everyone knows it.

That’s why they are all trying so hard to sell this bullshit we are being sold from everyone! If there is systemic racism and a white supremacy problem in America since at least the late 1960s it’s a straw man argument made up by Jim Crow racists still left in the Democratic National Party. Everyone else moved on in the 1970s and forgot about affirmative action by the end of the 1980s - Except the true racists and Marxists that are still butt hurt because they don’t get their way. These radical 1960s hateful people will never be happy and they wave a false flag and a clinching fist just as they did back then. They will never ever be happy and they are so far removed from history that they are now making it up from thin air.

This division needs to stop…full stop…if it doesn’t happen soon the fabric and character of this country will forever be changed and those butt hurt people are going to look back at all those previous achievements made since the reconstruction era after the Civil War and ask themselves - “what did we do, we tore it all down and no one came along to fix it?”

I don’t want my young son to grow up in this America, it’s not the one I have selflessly sacrificed so much for with nothing but respect for everyone regardless of where you came from or the color of your skin, your sex or sexual preferences or what God you worshiped or didn’t…I just didn’t care and wasn’t brought up that way to judge others without first judging and correcting myself to treat other as I would want them to treat me. Those are still the values and integrity principles I try to instill in my son. Words matter but actions and deeds will be how other people will judge him.

Rant mode off…

When the time comes for those actions and deeds to restore the normal and logical order, sanity and the sanctity of this once great nation, count me in. Justice and judgment will come for those who undermined the country for political or personal gains at the expense and persecution of their fellow citizens…we know how this ends…history is replete with examples and I don’t mean the revisionist history being taught in schools these days to the lost ignorant generation - Gen-Z/Millennials. Hey here’s a hint: Che Guevara wasn’t a liberator, socialism never works for the people, and while Viking women may have truly been bad-asses and hardy they were no match against the English armies. Oh and Joan of Arc was a devout believer in God and his son Jesus, while an unusual heroine she wasn’t all that strong (physically) but still able to lead from the front an army to victory…she didn’t seek recognition and didn’t do it for girl-power - she also knew she was a woman. Lastly, I don’t think we need to discuss Hitler/fascism/Nazis but it does seem that the lost ignorant generation and their professors don’t know much about that issue…they seem to confuse that period and it’s outcome often with what they are searching for now.

Okay really, rant mode off.
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Like Gen. Mattis before him there seems to be a point of no return for the loyalties these people swallowed to get those last couple of stars.
There is evidence of this going back to LBJ's attempts to keep VN affairs tamped down until he could get elected in '64. To do that he still had McNamara, and McNamara had Maxwell Taylor as CJCS who was basically tamping down a rebellion from the service chiefs (who included Curtis LeMay as AF Chief), they advocating more definitive action, or none. Writings I've seen clearly indicate that the President's "principal military advisors" were discounted or outright ignored in favor of one man (CJCS as valve), who would support one man (McNamara as gatekeeper), who supported one man, LBJ. Taylor was very clear in his writings before he was tapped to be Ambassador to RVN that a CJCS ought to be someone who could robustly serve the policy desires of the President (as Paslode mentions, except for President Trump). Wisened military counsel be damned.

When is it they insert the straw up the nose to suck out that part of the brain?
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When is it they insert the straw up the nose to suck out that part of the brain?
Some say the war college - but there is no proof. Sort of like the stories of back room lobotomies being done on E-9's at Bliss.

Lots of evidence - never any proof.
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Posted previously but seems an appropriate reminder as the absurdity coming from DC is on full display...just when will the other shoe drop ? That’s the next multi-trillion dollar stimy question.
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
So, what exactly is an atrocity and who sets the definition?

Is it eco-terrorists studding trees to hurt the loggers so they can save the owls - putting crushed glass in dog food to save the ducks ??

Is it abortion clinic bombers killing doctors to save the babies?

Is it Hitlers final solution?

Is it the firebombing of Dresden or dropping nukes on Japan?

Was it the US government giving the Tuskegee Airmen herpes so they could be deported to Mexico?


Atrocity is a word defined by the winning team my friend.
...its just like watching democrats define what constitutes "violent rioters"

It always HAS been and it always WILL be.
Voltaire knew that - he just liked fucking with people.
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So, what exactly is an atrocity and who sets the definition?

Atrocity is a word defined by the winning team my friend.
...its just like watching democrats define what constitutes "violent rioters"

It always HAS been and it always WILL Be.
No argument here.

Better to be on the winning team.

Hard to believe as it is - there are those who are still in denial that we, as a nation, are in play.

The cultural marxists are deeply embedded in our nation across the spectrum.

Soon, they will push so hard that they may even create a backlash - every action causing an equal and opposite reaction and all that jazz. Ah, that cosmic law of cause and effect.

And, just think...if those who push back are white - the cultural marxists have already issued pronouncements - on high - to say I told you so.

They are defining words, creating terms, supporting arguments yet to be made, and authoring history as we speak.
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Is it the firebombing of Dresden or dropping nukes on Japan?
History loves winners. Interesting you mention that one. There are some strike photos of Japanese cities in my Dad's unit history, AFTER LeMay became HMFIC and directed:

1. Ditch half the guns & half the crew; carry more incendiaries.
2. You overpaid MF'ers are going in at 8,000 ft instead of 23,000. You are going to drop that stuff where it will do the most damage.

Some of those photos make 7 August at Hiroshima look like a miss; like an Etch-A-Sketch turned upside down and well-shaken. This from a guy whose sensibilities were offended by some of the classiest nose-art in history.

Atrocity? Or just "Welcome to unlimited warfare; when you've killed enough of them they stop fighting."

Edit: And now back to diversity, where the nose-art features, blondes, brunettes, redheads...
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

One can read the word “atrocities” less literally and more broadly to include violence against the Constitution.

The absurdities emanating from DC might easily change the direction of this nation for the worse.

To my mind, if that change in direction destroys the greatest nation ever for individual freedom (imperfect, yes) but a beacon for freedom for the rest of the world, that would be an atrocity.
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