Interesting item on Ebay

[MVP]

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-ORIGINAL-GE...item1e5c5ec7b3

MVP

Originally Posted by MVP

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-ORIGINAL-GE...item1e5c5ec7b3

MVP

Does that mean, "property jump school tolz"? I know eigentum means property, the Ju Sch I'm not really sure about.

The item looks like one of the submarine watches which were used to time torpedo's.

[The Reaper]

Why would a Swiss watch sold to a German in the 1940s say "Swiss Made" on it in English?

TR

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Why would a Swiss watch sold to a German in the 1940s say "Swiss Made" on it in English?

TR

The US Tariff Act (section 304,19 U.S.C. § 1304). set our import standard in 1930.

Not sure when Europe or other countries started using the "made in XXX" tag for country of origin??

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by cszakolczai

Does that mean, "property jump school tolz"? I know eigentum means property, the Ju Sch I'm not really sure about.

The item looks like one of the submarine watches which were used to time torpedo's.

Its trying to say it is property of the Junkerschule, Bad Toelz. The SS ran an officer course there that ended in 1945. The engraving does not look like anything from the period to me and the abbrieviation is not what one would expect.

[MVP]

A very knowledgeable collector that was in 1/10 circa 83-86 sent the link to me. I find the watch very plausible. The runic SS has been hidden and the abreviations for JunkerSchule Toelz also seem correct. Unfortunately this type of stuff is so rarely seen it is hard to say but typically "schoolhouse" stuff is not faked.

MVP

So would this be used as a stop watch for running or something of that nature?

[MVP]

SS-Junkerschule Bad Tölz was established in 1937 and was the officers' training school for the Waffen-SS. It was the SS equivalent of Britain's Sandhurst and the USA's West Point. I would bet pocket watches were issued the same way as wrist watches are military issue today. Pocket watches were popular in that time, my grandfather carried one until he died in 1968.


MVP

Originally Posted by MVP

SS-Junkerschule Bad Tölz was established in 1937 and was the officers' training school for the Waffen-SS. It was the SS equivalent of Britain's Sandhurst and the USA's West Point. I would bet pocket watches were issued the same way as wrist watches are military issue today. Pocket watches were popular in that time, my grandfather carried one until he died in 1968.


MVP

Ecellent thanks for the information.

[ddoering]

The chance that this item is the real deal is so small that you might as well throw your money away.

I was confused as I thought, Bad Tolz was what the US Army named the base where 10th group was stationed. I didnt actually know the name was kept from earlier times. I thought following the war the US changed a lot of the names including Tolz I know this was done in certain areas across Europe. Especially one which had SS connections I thought that would be changed immediately. I posed this question to a friend who served with 10th group earlier on and he explained the history further.

So having said all this the seller attempting to connect this to an SS unit is just a feeble attempt at making a pocket watch very valuable. SS items sell for thousands easily. A gentleman I spoke with who collected SS items paid over 10 thousand for an original SS helmet. The sad part is ten thousand isnt even the highest price I've seen paid.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

I'm no expert on watches of that era, but a couple of observations:

Note how white the hands and face markings are compared to the condition of the case. I find it unusual that a watch of that age where the guts are exposed to the atmosphere would have such vibrantly white markings.

There is no serial number on the movement, which I find to be unusual for a CYMA.

This is a good example of a 1940's CYMA movement:

http://img.timezone.com/img/articles...7123/pwqa4.jpg

[Hartley]

Cszakolczai,

Bad Tolz is the name of the town that Flint Kaserne (former home to the 10th) is located in/near. I am quite sure the US Army had nothing to do with naming it..

If I remember correctly, the Baths (geothermal hot-water) that the "Bad" refers to have been a tourist attraction there for many centuries.

Hartley

Originally Posted by Hartley

Cszakolczai,

Bad Tolz is the name of the town that Flint Kaserne (former home to the 10th) is located in/near. I am quite sure the US Army had nothing to do with naming it..

If I remember correctly, the Baths (geothermal hot-water) that the "Bad" refers to have been a tourist attraction there for many centuries.

Hartley

Thanks for the info sir. I was definitely looking at the name in completely the wrong context. I just automatically assumed it was a US given name or rename I should say. I would think that anything Nazi/SS was automatically destroyed including names like the statues were, but again I was mistaken. I learned something new. The sad part is all the current and former 10th group guys I know have mentioned Tolz and I never asked about the name. I'll keep reading, thanks again sir.

[alfromcolorado]

The Americans did change the name. We called it Flint Kaserne. The Germans called it Junkerschule Toelz.

There was another Junkerschule up north also.

Originally Posted by cszakolczai

Thanks for the info sir. I was definitely looking at the name in completely the wrong context. I just automatically assumed it was a US given name or rename I should say. I would think that anything Nazi/SS was automatically destroyed including names like the statues were, but again I was mistaken. I learned something new. The sad part is all the current and former 10th group guys I know have mentioned Tolz and I never asked about the name. I'll keep reading, thanks again sir.