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03-18-2004, 13:52
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The Madrid strike was the bloodiest guerrilla attack in Europe since the 1988 Lockerbie plane bombing.
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03-18-2004, 13:56
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Guerilla?
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Reuters
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03-18-2004, 13:58
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The book Inside Terrorism by Bruce Hoffman provides a good discussion on the medias' use of "guerilla" vs "terrorist"
I'll look it up tonight and post what he has to say on it rather than try to think it up off the top of my head
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03-18-2004, 13:59
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In London everything is very tense, everyone is expecting an attack, and soon.
What's the climate like in the US?
I'm personally pretty dumbfounded by some of the things that the "IRA-proof" British government has allowed. On buses, there are spaces under the chairs large enough to hide objects from site, and they even have a place for people to leave their bags while travelling... Seems to me that these buses are built to be bombed.
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PS: "guerilla" LOL I saw this one coming...
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03-18-2004, 14:01
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Poland Update
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03-18-2004, 14:18
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Moroccan officials said evidence shows Zougam had links to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — a key operative with strong ties to Ansar.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...spain_bombings
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - a man famed for his eloquence and ruthlessness.
The 38-year old Jordanian radical fled to Iraq in 2001 after losing a leg in a US missile strike on his Afghan base.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm
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I find this interesting
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03-18-2004, 14:26
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In the wake of the terrorist attack and the Socialits victory, it is commonly pointed out that Spaniards overwhelmingly opposed the war in Iraq (90% opposition), so Zapatero's call for a withdrawal is only logical. Note this, however, from the Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas:
From a February 2003 study:
¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante, poco o nada de acuerdo con que se produzca una intervención militar contra Irak?
Muy de acuerdo........... 1.2
Bastante de acuerdo.... 4.1
Poco de acuerdo.......... 20.8
Nada de acuerdo......... 70.0
N.S. .......................... 3.4 [no opinion]
N.C. ......................... 0.4 [no answer]
So 70% no support and 21% little support adds up to the 90 routinely cited.
But this is the war itself. As for Spanish participation in the post-war reconstruction:
Como Ud. sabe, España ha enviado al conflicto de Irak una fuerza militar en misión humanitaria. ¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante de acuerdo, poco de acuerdo o nada de acuerdo con este envio?
Muy de acuerdo 20.0
Bastante de acuerdo 40.7
Poco de acuerdo 14.5
Nada de acuerdo 20.4
Le es indiferente 1.6
N.S. 2.2
N.C. .6
En su opinión, finalizada la guerra de Irak, ¿debe España participar en las acciones internacionales destinadas a la reconstrucción del pais?
Si 68.2
No 22.5
N.S. 8.2
N.C. 1.1
I suppose, post M-11, a poll would have different results, but constantly citing the 90% number seems disingenuous.
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03-18-2004, 14:33
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The Poland story is getting a bit of play, but given Kwasniewski's other statements, there may be some spin going on here.
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03-18-2004, 14:38
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The Poland story is getting a bit of play, but given Kwasniewski's other statements, there may be some spin going on here.
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I agree with you
It's funny how this story became the "lead" headline on many news sites
Spin indeed
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03-18-2004, 17:38
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In the wake of the terrorist attack and the Socialits victory, it is commonly pointed out that Spaniards overwhelmingly opposed the war in Iraq (90% opposition), so Zapatero's call for a withdrawal is only logical. Note this, however, from the Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas:
From a February 2003 study:
¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante, poco o nada de acuerdo con que se produzca una intervención militar contra Irak?
Muy de acuerdo........... 1.2
Bastante de acuerdo.... 4.1
Poco de acuerdo.......... 20.8
Nada de acuerdo......... 70.0
N.S. .......................... 3.4 [no opinion]
N.C. ......................... 0.4 [no answer]
So 70% no support and 21% little support adds up to the 90 routinely cited.
But this is the war itself. As for Spanish participation in the post-war reconstruction:
Como Ud. sabe, España ha enviado al conflicto de Irak una fuerza militar en misión humanitaria. ¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante de acuerdo, poco de acuerdo o nada de acuerdo con este envio?
Muy de acuerdo 20.0
Bastante de acuerdo 40.7
Poco de acuerdo 14.5
Nada de acuerdo 20.4
Le es indiferente 1.6
N.S. 2.2
N.C. .6
En su opinión, finalizada la guerra de Irak, ¿debe España participar en las acciones internacionales destinadas a la reconstrucción del pais?
Si 68.2
No 22.5
N.S. 8.2
N.C. 1.1
I suppose, post M-11, a poll would have different results, but constantly citing the 90% number seems disingenuous.
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Do you have the link for the source for this?
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03-18-2004, 18:05
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03-18-2004, 18:35
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Do you have the link for the source for this?
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The February 2003 poll is here: http://www.cis.es/estudio.asp?nest=2481
That was pregunta 19.
The post-war reconstruction questions are from the April 2003 poll here: http://www.cis.es/estudio.asp?nest=2508.
They are preguntas 12 & 13.
CIS doesn't appear to have conducted any polls covering Iraq since the end of the ground war and the deployment of Spanish troops.
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03-18-2004, 18:40
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Thank you.
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03-20-2004, 06:43
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A Spaniard with a criminal record led four Moroccans to an explosives warehouse at a mine to steal dynamite used in the Madrid (search) terror bombings, a newspaper reported Saturday.
The unidentified Spaniard, a former miner in the northern Asturias region, was among four people arrested Thursday. He insisted he only led the Moroccans to the warehouse and did not help with the robbery, El Pais reported, quoting police sources.
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