Egyptian protesters scale US Embassy wall in Cairo

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Hand

. . . the people who sodomized (allegedly) and then murdered a United States Ambassador responsible. . .

Source, please.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Source, please.

Here you go QP Dozer http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...4&postcount=39

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[Team Sergeant]

You know what is most disturbing is that the United States is the most powerful nation in the world and these people have absolutely no fear of us. They know we would never step off the moral high ground and stoop to the level of sub-human atrocities they perpetrate on each other and non-muslims.

We as a world didn't take a stand against fascism until it was almost too late. History may show that we didn't take a stand against islam until it was too late.

If this keeps escalating the arab Spring may become the arab century.....

And no I do not see islam as a religion but as a dangerous and insidious ideology.

[MR2]

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

No Live Ammo for Marines

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by MR2

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

No Live Ammo for Marines

The more things change, the more they remain the same, when will we ever learn from past mistakes.

We are at war with an un-identifiable enemy who does not use bases or orders of movement and can strike at any time and anywhere, and yet we maintain a Force Pro level that requires those on the front line to remain woefully unprepared to take action when action is necessary and immediate.

Sad days ahead...

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by MR2

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

No Live Ammo for Marines

I don't care if you won an award for the Most Accomodating FSO of the Year down at Brandy. If true, to have such RoE as to disallow inherent self-defense is unconscionable, inexcusable, and a host of things under the heading of 'are you f'n kidding me'?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by MR2

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

No Live Ammo for Marines

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

We had an American Ambassador request Special Forces to send an A-Team to assist & instruct in some violent African country, but with one catch, we were not allowed to bring any weapons with us. Special Forces answered with a resounding "NO".

Not all the ambassadors are selected for their intelligence.

Political appointments as payoffs.

[trvlr]

For those that were discussing our aid packages earlier in this thread

President Obama referred to US-Egypt relations as a "work in progress".

"I don't think we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy. They are a new government that is trying to find its way," Mr Obama said in a television interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo.

He said that so far Egypt's government has "said the right thing and taken the right steps" but it has also responded to other events in ways that "may not be aligned with our interests".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19584265

We'll see how these riots affect our cash sponsorship of their government in the future.

[tom kelly]

Both of them are ultra left liberal socialist; as is the majority of the State Dept. On NOV. 6 WE THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLACE THEM, and THE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WHO SUPPORT THEM....VOTE RIGHT. TK

[Sigaba]

From the NBC's L.A. affiliate (source is here).

Deputies Called to Cerritos Home of Suspected Anti-Islam Filmmaker
A 15-minute video produced in Southern California is being blamed for sparking deadly unrest in the Middle East and North Africa.
By Vikki Vargas and Stephanie Miranda
| Thursday, Sep 13, 2012 | Updated 6:45 PM PDT

Deputies on Thursday continued to patrol a Cerritos cul de sac where the suspected filmmaker behind the 15-minute video being blamed for violent unrest in the Middle East and North Africa is purported to live.

Officials say the measures are preventative, prompted by the homeowner’s request for stepped up security after media descended on the area Wednesday night.

"There was no disturbance, no crime. We came out about 8:45 p.m. with three patrol cars," said Steve Whitmore with the LA County Sheriff’s Dept.

It is an unlikely location for ground zero: a two-story home in suburban Cerritos. Outside, three cars are parked as if they were abandoned, clothes and prescriptions left in disarray.

On the porch there is a statue of the Virgin Mary. The front door has no door knob and several knocks throughout the day were unanswered.

Neighbors say they know little about the family at the end of their street but the added attention is making them uneasy.

"Yeah, I have concerns. We have families and children and a school down the street. Yes, it’s a concern," neighbor Ulonda Cooper.

Others find it hard to believe the apparent genesis of an international attack might be living only a few doors away.

“I would just feel so uncomfortable. I never see the guy, he just comes and goes, never see him,” said Khalin Tucker.

Property records show the house is owned by Nakoula Besseley Nakoula, the man suspected of being behind the inflammatory anti-Islam film "The Innocence of the Muslims."

Actors in the 15-minute video say they thought they were cast in an Arabian Desert action flick, and allege any anti-Islamic sentiments were dubbed in post-production without their knowledge or consent (video [here]).

The movie is being blamed for prompting an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others.

Self-described consultant Steven Klein said the mystery producer -- who he says goes by the pseudonym Sam Bassiel -- wanted him to fact check the production, adding that he feels "no guilt" for the violence it apparently spurred (video [here]).

"I have no blood on my hand," Klein said. "I feel no guilt. If I tell the truth and they go out and murder, the guilt and shame is on their head, not me."

On Thursday, Klein told NBC4 that threats have compelled him to leave his Hemet neighborhood.

[alelks]

Seems Stevens touched some lives while he was there:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread881046/pg1

[Dozer523]

No blood on producers hands?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...e-movie/56804/

Bring it Mofo

[Pete]

Point

Originally Posted by Dozer523

No blood on producers hands?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...e-movie/56804/

Bring it Mofo

Counter Point

Misplaced Blame for the Embassy Attacks

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...jonah-goldberg

".................Are we really going to hold what we can say or do in our own country hostage to the passions of foreign lynch mobs?

If your answer is some of form of “yes,” then you might want to explain why U.S. citizens aren’t justified in attacking Egyptian or Libyan embassies here in America. After all, I get pretty mad when I see goons burning the American flag, and I become downright livid when a U.S. ambassador is murdered. Maybe some of my like-minded friends and I should burn down some embassies here in Washington, D.C., or maybe a consulate in New York City?

Of course we shouldn’t do that. To argue that Americans shouldn’t resort to mayhem while suggesting it’s understandable when Muslims do is to create a double standard that either renders Muslims unaccountable savages (they can’t help themselves!) or casts Americans as somehow less passionate about what we hold dear, be it our flag, our diplomats, or our religions. (It’s hardly as if Islamists don’t defame Christianity, Judaism, moderate forms of Islam, or even atheism.)..........."

[tonyz]

All diplomats assume that they can reasonably conduct the business of thier respective country free from fear of persecution or violence. MOO, the unwritten, but very clear foundation supporting this understanding with the host nation, should be that any violation of this compact unleashes a shitstorm on both the perpetrators and their enablers. That shitstorm should potentially include the entire continuum of political, economic and military options, as the case may be.

The mutual respect for all true diplomats and the critical role that they play in providing a measure of stability, particularly during international upheavel and conflict, should trump every argument possibly leveled by apologists for lynch mobs of any stripe - a nation of laws and all that.

Having said that - MOO, the recent attacks that we have sustained are unconscionable and should unleash whatever is necessary to punish the people responsible for the murders in Libya.