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Old 12-24-2009, 11:44   #1
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Mexican drug lords retaliate.

I find this shocking and despicable. How do you combat such a enemy?

Mexican drug lords retaliate; kin of slain marine are killed
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
MEXICO CITY — Assailants on Tuesday gunned down the mother, aunt and siblings of a marine killed in a raid that took out one of Mexico's most powerful cartel leaders — sending a chilling message to troops battling the drug war: You go after us; we wipe out your families.
The brazen pre-dawn slayings came just hours after the navy honored Melquisedet Angulo as a national hero at a memorial service.
"The message is very clear: It's to intimidate not only the government but its flesh and blood," said Jorge Chabat, a Mexican expert on drug cartels. "It's to intimidate those in the armed forces so they fear not only for their own lives, but the lives of their families."


Federal officials had warned that last week's killing of drug lord Arturo Beltran Leyva, known as the "boss of bosses," could provoke a violent backlash from smugglers, who have gone after federal police in the past after the arrest of high-ranking cartel members.
Beltran Leyva was among the most-wanted drug lords in Mexico and the United States, and he was the biggest trafficker taken down by President Felipe Calderón's administration so far. U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration officials blamed his cartel for much of the bloodshed across Mexico.
Even so, the country was shocked by the brutal slayings of Angulo's family at its home just hours after the dead marine's mother, Irma Cordova, 55, attended his memorial service in Mexico City, where she received the Mexican flag covering his coffin.


His brother, Benito Angulo, 28; his sister, Jolidabey Angulo, 22; and his aunt, Josefa Angulo, 46, also were killed shortly after midnight when gunmen wielding assault rifles broke down the door of their home. His sister, Miraldeyi Angulo, 24, was reported in serious condition at a hospital.
The family's home, in southern Tabasco state, was littered with more than two dozen bullet casings.
Hit men linked to Beltran Leyva's cartel have a strong presence in Tabasco, a Gulf state bordering Guatemala, and were suspected of being behind the attack. State and federal forces searching for the assailants set up roadblocks across the state Tuesday.


The navy did not say whether it was taking special measures to protect marine families, including Angulo's two children, ages 16 months and 3 years. Authorities did not say where they or their mother were when their relatives were slain.
Calderón called the attack "a cowardly act" and vowed to press forward in his war involving more than 45,000 troops.
"We will not be intimidated by criminals without scruples like those who committed this barbarity," he said Tuesday. "Those who act like this deserve the unanimous repudiation of society, and they must pay for their crime."
While the armed forces have led Calderón's crackdown against organized crime that has seen more than 15,000 people killed by drug violence since it began in 2006, direct attacks by cartels on troops are rare, especially for marines, who only recently started playing a major role in the drug war.


Most of the killings have been among rival smugglers, according to the federal government. Hundreds of local, state and federal police also have been slain, but only a handful of soldiers have died at the hands of traffickers.
Angulo, 30, was the only marine killed in last Wednesday's raid that sparked a nearly two-hour shootout at an apartment complex in the colonial city of Cuernavaca, south of Mexico City. Two other marines were wounded.
Angulo was also the only marine whose identity was made public of the more than 60 who took part in the operation, which also left six other gunmen dead in addition to Beltran Leyva.

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Old 01-02-2010, 16:16   #2
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Mexico is a failed state

Sadly, Mexico has reached a level of chaos and can only be characterized as a failed state.

Options:

1 - Send in the Texas Rangers to prop up the Mexican LE / criminal justice system.

2 - Decapitate the cartels by other means.

Either way, annexation with enforcement / deterrent by US security forces.

That's my New Year's prediction for 2011.
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Old 01-02-2010, 16:35   #3
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I find this shocking and despicable. How do you combat such a enemy?
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Simple, YOU KILL THEM!!! Don't waste our Treasure, Time, or our People attempting to "Prosecute" them, they're laughing at the way we "Play all PC and Fair"!!! There's NO Justice like HOT Justice!!! Just SMOKE'EM!!! Poof Soot, all gone!!!

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Old 01-02-2010, 17:07   #4
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Right on AM!

No reason for more nation building. Other countries are more than capable of building their own representative governments.

Outside the US, kill or capture serious bad guys. Kind of like what happened to Manuel Noriega, or Pablo Escobar, or Zarqawi. Inside the US, due process. Isn't that the difference between offensive and defensive US national security?

I'm guessing the deterrent effect would not be underestimated.
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Old 01-02-2010, 17:10   #5
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Back in the 70s and 80s British SAS operators would shoot identified IRA terrorists on site with no warning or attempt to apprehend whatsoever. Those cartel members in Mexico became something worse than simple narcotics smugglers a long time ago.

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Old 01-02-2010, 18:44   #6
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Agree with you both AM and mojaveman. Kill the all, from the lowest dealer to the jefe. Thats really the only answer that I can think of. I'd think it's not hard to pick out who's a narco since I've read that they drive around in convoys armed almost as well as some PMC's in Baghdad.
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Old 01-02-2010, 20:03   #7
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It all reminds me of Columbia in the 90's. When they were removed, the Mexicans took over from them. I have to wonder who is waiting in the wings to take over from the Mexicans?

The Columbians retaliated in the same manner as the Mexicans are doing. I think I remember they called it, "pulling the root".

That said, remove the drug cartel heads, and all personell, by any means available.
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It all reminds me of Columbia in the 90's. When they were removed, the Mexicans took over from them. I have to wonder who is waiting in the wings to take over from the Mexicans?

The Columbians retaliated in the same manner as the Mexicans are doing. I think I remember they called it, "pulling the root".

That said, remove the drug cartel heads, and all personell, by any means available.
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Before NDD jumps in here with both of his feet!!!! Exactly where is this Columbia that you speak of?!?!?!
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Right on AM!

No reason for more nation building. Other countries are more than capable of building their own representative governments.

Outside the US, kill or capture serious bad guys. Kind of like what happened to Manuel Noriega, or Pablo Escobar, or Zarqawi. Inside the US, due process. Isn't that the difference between offensive and defensive US national security?

I'm guessing the deterrent effect would not be underestimated.
Why must we limit our activities to just outside the US? Seems wrong is still wrong, despite an unseen line drawn in the dirt. If the govt., either one, US or Mexico can't or won't fix, then it must be the 'good' citizens of both countries to route out the cartels.

If we make the business landscape so terrible for them to do business, then they will take their business elsewhere.

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Before NDD jumps in here with both of his feet!!!! Exactly where is this Columbia that you speak of?!?!?!
My apologies, my brain is not working on all cylinders tongiht.

I was refering to news media early 90's, and friends who lived in Columbia at the time.The stuff they were telling via letters and phone calls. I was living in Miami during a lot of the drug crap that was going on there, late 80s early 1990's.
It seemed like the killings were almost daily at one point.

I clearly remember the local papers called the 'family killings' directly realated to the Columbian Drug business and that the Drug Cartels called killing family members 'pulling the root', whatever that meant to them. I thought it was horrible. That was when I decided to move away from Miami. It was not even safe to drive the interstate anymore. That is what I was refering to..

I got a migraine, brain is sorta kinda fubar'd on cafergot. to bad there is not a smily of me sticking my foot in my mouth..
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My apologies, my brain is not working on all cylinders tongiht.

I was refering to news media early 90's, and friends who lived in Columbia at the time.The stuff they were telling via letters and phone calls. I was living in Miami during a lot of the drug crap that was going on there, late 80s early 1990's.
It seemed like the killings were almost daily at one point.

I clearly remember the local papers called the 'family killings' directly realated to the Columbian Drug business and that the Drug Cartels called killing family members 'pulling the root', whatever that meant to them. I thought it was horrible. That was when I decided to move away from Miami. It was not even safe to drive the interstate anymore. That is what I was refering to..

I got a migraine, brain is sorta kinda fubar'd on cafergot. to bad there is not a smily of me sticking my foot in my mouth..
My point is, do you really mean Columbia (as in the university) or Colombia as in the country?!?!?!
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My point is, do you really mean Columbia (as in the university) or Colombia as in the country!!!!!
OH crap... the country. I am going to go hide under a rock now. Spell check did not catch that.
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OH crap... the country. I am going to go hide under a rock now. Spell check did not catch that.
We can, and WILL, pick the fly-shit out of the pepper!!!

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We can, and WILL, pick the fly-shit out of the pepper!!!
I deserved that! _I_ should have caught that mistake.
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Why must we limit our activities to just outside the US? Seems wrong is still wrong, despite an unseen line drawn in the dirt. If the govt., either one, US or Mexico can't or won't fix, then it must be the 'good' citizens of both countries to route out the cartels.
Let's see if I can navigate the QP minefield.

With respect wet dog, wrong is still wrong as you say, but the US Constitution protects US citizens in the US. I'm OK with manhunting sans borders. Can capture but need due process for Amcits within the US. Otherwise we become a security state or lawless wild, wild west.

That said, the jig is up with transnational syndicates including AQ and narco-terror HVTs who exploit the gaps in LE and governance to do their nasty work.

Now I gotta go check my pepper mill.
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