CamelBak Decisions

[Archangel]

I'm having trouble deciding between the MotherLode & BFM pack. I know there is a $40 price difference & that the BFM has external pockets (which is not that big of an issue since I can add modular pouches to either packs). However, the BFM has an aluminum frame while the MotherLode does not. I only wished that it came in Khaki. Does anyone have hands-on experience with either of these packs? Help me decide. Thanks Ya'll!

BTW, I'll use it like a 3-Day Pack.

http://www.camelbak.com/camelbak/images/pl_60062.jpg

BFM™ Olive Drab
You’re on the move and on a mission. Choose a ruck that will support your extended excursion. Choose CamelBak’s BFM™. Our largest system, the BFM™ has a versatile load configuration design that can carry it all. Comfortably. Load up with 2600 cu. in. (42 L) of gear and up to two 3-liter reservoirs of water internally. Attach two more 3-liter ThermoBaks® externally, for a total of 12 liters of water.

Features & Specifications
• Full clamshell opening makes adding the NEW MedBak Insert a breeze.
• NEW- Add or remove nametags and unit badges quickly with integrated Velcro strips.
• Includes HydroLink™ Modular Connection System with positive shut-off HydroLock™.
• Includes OMEGA™ Reservoir – fill and clean easier than ever.
• ASIPS Radio attachment points hold communications securely.
• Air Channel™ back panel with Aluminum frame and lumbar support.
• Independent Suspension Harness keeps load stable as you move.
• Multiple storage spaces include main compartment with dual zippered mesh pockets and divided organizer, safety kit pocket for first aid supplies, side pockets for MREs or ammo, and a zippered slat pocket for maps, files, or other low-profile items.
• Zippered back panel access makes loading a full reservoir easy. Click here to see how the zipper access makes it easier to load a reservoir.
• Dual compression straps keep load stable, while side-panel compression straps cinch down added gear or reservoirs.
• Tough, abrasion-resistant 1000D Cordura® exterior.

Capacity: 100 oz (3.0 l)
Dimensions: 21 in x 13 in x 10 in (533 mm x 330 mm x 254 mm) Volume: Cargo – 2550 cu in (41.8 l) • Total Volume – 2730 cu in (44.7 l)
Weight: Empty Reservoir – 5.57 lbs (2.53 kg) • Filled Reservoir – 11.82 lbs (5.36 kg)




http://www.camelbak.com/camelbak/images/pl_60137.jpg

MotherLode™ Khaki
No matter what the assignment, no matter what the haul, CamelBak’s redesigned MotherLode™ can handle it. It's reinforced webbing allows for easy integration of a jump harness, while still hauling over 2100 cu. in. (35 liters) of gear and 100 ounces (3 liters) of water effortlessly on an Independent Suspension Harness. Store gear and communications in cargo spaces complete with internal organizers for tools and small items. Load up. Move out.

Features
• NEW Add or remove nametags and unit badges quickly with integrated Velcro strips
• Includes HydroLink™ Modular Connection System with positive shut-off HydroLock™
• Includes OMEGA™ Reservoir – fill and clean easier than ever.
• Tough, abrasion-resistant 1000D Cordura® exterior.
• Includes an adjustable, removable padded waistbelt.
• Independent Suspension Harness keeps load stable as you move.
• Multiple storage spaces include main compartment with zippered mesh pocket and divided organizer and zippered slat pocket for maps, files, or other low-profile items.
• Air Channel™ back panel and lumbar support.
• Zippered back panel access makes loading a full reservoir easy. Click here to see how the zipper access makes it easier to load a reservoir.
• Dual compression straps keep load stable, while side-panel compression straps cinch down added gear.
• Fits second reservoir for longer outings.

Capacity: 100 oz (3.0 l)
Dimensions: 19 in x 13 in x 8 in (482 mm x 330 mm x 203 mm)
Volume: Cargo – 2142 cu in (35.1 l) • Total Volume – 2322 cu in (38.1 l)
Weight: Empty Reservoir – 3.77 lbs (1.71 kg) • Filled Reservoir – 10.02 lbs (4.54 kg)

[booker]

Have used a motherlode since Afghanistan, had to put some extra pockets on the outside, but it performs well. When in doubt, get the bigger one. The BFM was a lot more expensive at the time, but if I did it all over again, I would go with the BFM, you just have more options. If your focus is the 3-day type of bag, go with the BFM. Just my opinion though...

[The Reaper]

I saw the BFM and ML side by side, looked them over, and took the BFM, swapping over to it from the Eagle AIII and a custom made Eagle pack.

I love the capacity, external pockets, features, and internal layout of the BFM.

The only thing I would change would be to use a better set of shoulder straps. The quality of work does not appear to be as good as the Eagle either, but nothing has failed in the four months I have been using it, and I have carried as much as 65 pounds in it.

As I understand it from Camelback reps, there is no current plan to make it in Coyote color. Of course, that could mean absolutely nothing.

TR

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I saw the BFM and ML side by side, looked them over, and took the BFM, swapping over to it from the Eagle AIII and a custom made Eagle pack.

I love the capacity, external pockets, features, and internal layout of the BFM.

The only thing I would change would be to use a better set of shoulder straps. The quality of work does not appear to be as good as the Eagle either, but nothing has filed in the four months I have been using it, and I have carried as much as 65 pounds in it.

As I understand it from Camelback reps, there is no current plan to make it in Coyote color. Of course, that could mean absolutely nothing.

TR

Excellent! That's the exact kind of feedback that I'm looking for. Thanks Colonel.

Here's a picture that I took at the NRA Convention that sparked my interest in the BFM:

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/2/camelbak_bfm.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/2/camelbak_bfm2.jpg

[Archangel]

FYI…

The best price that I found one these (plus other tactical goodies) is from Botach Tactical. www.botac.com
Just call (323) 293-7770 & tell them you’re in the service & they’ll give you an additional discount.

ML = $115 ($105 w/ Military discount)
BFM = $139.95 ($129 w/ discount)

[The Reaper]

I would hold that recommendation till I actually got what I ordered.

I have tried Botach three times and gotten ZERO successful orders.

Caveat Emptor!

TR

[Peregrino]

Go with the BFM! I've got an older (pre-Molle straps) Motherlode. It's a good daypack but I've been eaten up with envy over TR's BFM. Might as well call it a "Big F'n Mother" as much as he puts in it. He packs everything including the kitchen sink and the laptop in it. I've carried commo rucks without as much in them. It's not just the size, pockets, and straps - that internal frame is what cinches the deal for me. I've been holding out praying for a coyote one too but it doesn't look like it's happening. Beggars can't be choosers, at this point I'll take whatever I can get. Just my .02 - Peregrino

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Go with the BFM! I've got an older (pre-Molle straps) Motherlode. It's a good daypack but I've been eaten up with envy over TR's BFM. Might as well call it a "Big F'n Mother" as much as he puts in it. He packs everything including the kitchen sink and the laptop in it. I've carried commo rucks without as much in them. It's not just the size, pockets, and straps - that internal frame is what cinches the deal for me. I've been holding out praying for a coyote one too but it doesn't look like it's happening. Beggars can't be choosers, at this point I'll take whatever I can get. Just my .02 - Peregrino

TR is correct about Botach's habit of messing up orders. They always take care of it, but it's just a hassel to send back an item to get the original one that you actually ordered.

Well, I did it & ordered the BFM from Botach in OD (really wanted a Coyote). He gave it to me for $125 + 6 Shipping. Hopefully since I only ordered 1 item, they won't mess up. We'll see...

BTW, thanks TR for guiding me away from BH.

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