12-06-2010, 21:37
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Could this ever work?
Most experts on Mexico will speak contrary to Mexico being anywhere near a collapsed state, in addition to the PAN carrying on the same policies as the PRI.
From the point of view of someone who's lost a very close friend--former US case officer that was a major hostage recovery/cartel counter signint--to the nacros, this issue has on the become a frequent idea of mine.
The major long standing issue that still exists are the narcos/traffickers. I side with the school of thought that believes the DEA is primarily a huge money pit and could be used in a better capacity. However, as I see it, if the US were to privatize the protection of the ports and borders, as to to allow for business and legitimate travel to continue. Ideally, this could be achieved by either the federal govt. or the military. I picture presence patrols circa 2007 in Iraq cleaning up the streets via death blossom. Both the Mexican government and the Mexican people do not support the ongoing trends in the border towns and nacro-refuges, if the borders were effectively closed, this would allow for a more direct effort on rooting out the bad dudes.
Could it work?
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12-07-2010, 23:53
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The main problem young man is OUR (yes us, the US) endless appetite for drugs. Someone has to feed it, and the Mexicans just happen to be the closest.
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12-07-2010, 23:59
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Originally Posted by mils
Most experts on Mexico will speak contrary to Mexico being anywhere near a collapsed state, in addition to the PAN carrying on the same policies as the PRI.
From the point of view of someone who's lost a very close friend--former US case officer that was a major hostage recovery/cartel counter signint--to the nacros, this issue has on the become a frequent idea of mine.
The major long standing issue that still exists are the narcos/traffickers. I side with the school of thought that believes the DEA is primarily a huge money pit and could be used in a better capacity. However, as I see it, if the US were to privatize the protection of the ports and borders, as to to allow for business and legitimate travel to continue. Ideally, this could be achieved by either the federal govt. or the military. I picture presence patrols circa 2007 in Iraq cleaning up the streets via death blossom. Both the Mexican government and the Mexican people do not support the ongoing trends in the border towns and nacro-refuges, if the borders were effectively closed, this would allow for a more direct effort on rooting out the bad dudes.
Could it work?
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To me, this speaks of people "talking out their ass"!
I once had a wise man tell me, on an SF Demo range, that an "expert" broke down as follows: "ex" = a has been. "spurt" = a drip under pressure.
While the war on drugs is a failure, the DEA is the dam that holds back the flood.
End result: the US populace lacks the will needed to solve the drug problem.
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12-08-2010, 06:45
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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver
To me, this speaks of people "talking out their ass"!
I once had a wise man tell me, on an SF Demo range, that an "expert" broke down as follows: "ex" = a has been. "spurt" = a drip under pressure.
While the war on drugs is a failure, the DEA is the dam that holds back the flood.
End result: the US populace lacks the will needed to solve the drug problem.
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You nailed it, Bro.
It's just a matter of time before the Country realizes the border dilemma has progressed beyond repair; IMO, it has the potential to facilitate the complete demise of the U.S. system, and with it, the free world.
We need to consolidate all interested former Special Forces (Ret.) operators into a civilian defense group, authorize power in accordance with former rank, and plan a sustained mission to control the border with reasonable ROE's (i.e., two verbal warnings followed by a head shot.)
Pay would be commensurate with current active duty rates.
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12-08-2010, 17:32
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Dusty, my curiosity is for that exact reason...
The llc, the infrastructure, resources, etc. are all there and currently in use, just not in this capacity; heavily in Mexico, yet proportionally throughout SA. This is a problem that's going to need to be fixed. I'm not a xenophobe, but the border/port issue on the whole will be a major issue for the nation in the long run.
Also, I'm not a progressive, but I'm a realist. We'll never decrease the demand for drugs in this country, and dumping more money into that over combating narcos directly is ridiculous in my mind.
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12-08-2010, 17:42
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Originally Posted by mils
Dusty, my curiosity is for that exact reason...
The llc, the infrastructure, resources, etc. are all there and currently in use, just not in this capacity; heavily in Mexico, yet proportionally throughout SA. This is a problem that's going to need to be fixed. I'm not a xenophobe, but the border/port issue on the whole will be a major issue for the nation in the long run.
Also, I'm not a progressive, but I'm a realist. We'll never decrease the demand for drugs in this country, and dumping more money into that over combating narcos directly is ridiculous in my mind.
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Makes sense to me.
On another note, somebody should write a novel about ex-military getting fed up and taking the border problem into their own hands.
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12-08-2010, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Dusty
Makes sense to me.
On another note, somebody should write a novel about ex-military getting fed up and taking the border problem into their own hands.
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"FOGs Along the Border" I like it!
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12-08-2010, 18:31
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..."write a novel"...sure, a novel...
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12-14-2010, 09:08
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Columbia used to be a narco state. It isn't anymore. We know how to control the problem.
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12-14-2010, 10:27
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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver
End result: the US populace lacks the will needed to solve the drug problem.
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Zonie (or anyone else with the credentials to answer),
In your mind what *is* needed to solve the problem?
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12-14-2010, 12:24
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Zonie (or anyone else with the credentials to answer),
In your mind what *is* needed to solve the problem?
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I am not sure, short of legalization, what would do it!
I am reminded of Gen. Dreedle's remark about Maj. Danby's moan in "Catch-22": "Take that man out and shoot him."
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06-20-2011, 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty
You nailed it, Bro.
It's just a matter of time before the Country realizes the border dilemma has progressed beyond repair; IMO, it has the potential to facilitate the complete demise of the U.S. system, and with it, the free world.
We need to consolidate all interested former Special Forces (Ret.) operators into a civilian defense group, authorize power in accordance with former rank, and plan a sustained mission to control the border with reasonable ROE's (i.e., two verbal warnings followed by a head shot.)
Pay would be commensurate with current active duty rates.
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damn, that's the best solution to the problem i have heard yet! i like it
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06-20-2011, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Joe Friday
damn, that's the best solution to the problem i have heard yet! i like it
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07-09-2011, 15:36
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Perdurabo- Google Pablo Escobar and Los Pepes...r
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