03-17-2007, 09:29
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All part of the landscape down there verdad??? Know many of these guys personally as well...but at the end of the day can't go native as they are capable of doing some off the wall stuff good & bad - but not mine to judge as a servant first/foremost to USA. These lefties buying crap from other side have lost sight of that...
Hell, there's still a crowd of goofballs trying to shut down the School of Americas - only cite cases which are Anti-US....but never the good some of the grads have brought to their countries or USA as a result of 1st hand exposure to America.
On that note - it's interesting the number of commies/et al who've made their way over here that are loath to leave...
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03-17-2007, 09:46
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extrapolate please :)
NDD,
Could you explain what our interests are a bit. Its just that I can see some liberal taking your words:
"The US does not have a responsibility to Guatemala, we do what is in our own interests."
and saying... look there is the problem right there, Americans are selfish and are robbing that country.
Nevermind that America's interests are usually stability and helping people.
Thanks,
- Dub
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03-17-2007, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Dub
NDD,
Could you explain what our interests are a bit. Its just that I can see some liberal taking your words:
"The US does not have a responsibility to Guatemala, we do what is in our own interests."
and saying... look there is the problem right there, Americans are selfish and are robbing that country.
Nevermind that America's interests are usually stability and helping people.
Thanks,
- Dub
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Robbing them of what?
Illegal aliens?
Guatemala does not have a tremendous amount of resources to steal. I can pretty much guarantee that we have given them far more than we have taken.
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03-17-2007, 12:33
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What the Reaper said and hence one of the reasons it is a gap state. Same with Honduras.
Every country does and should what is in its own best interests.
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03-19-2007, 12:58
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Grrr....
Well... whoever published what I wrote must be half retarded.
They cut out my question to you and your responses...and wrongly edited my words so when I refer to special forces as 'his' they changed it to 'his or her'.
basically after their editing the article makes me look like a dumbass, Im kinda pissed right now!
Here it is:
http://www.thebreeze.org/2007/03-19/op4.html
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03-19-2007, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Dub
Well... whoever published what I wrote must be half retarded.
They cut out my question to you and your responses...and wrongly edited my words so when I refer to special forces as 'his' they changed it to 'his or her'.
basically after their editing the article makes me look like a dumbass, Im kinda pissed right now!
Here it is:
http://www.thebreeze.org/2007/03-19/op4.html |
Completely predictable.
That is why I stay out of those foodfights.
They make the rules and they can edit what you said taking the least significant material that supports their positions.
Frankly, I do not want to be involved in their discussions via quotes or redirects attracting kids with no real world experience or sense of realpolitik to this site. Let them live in their own little worlds and design a utopia, right up till they get slapped in the face hard by a great big steaming chunk of reality.
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02-27-2008, 05:53
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Well about Guatemalan i could be of help on the subject, the problem with States and Guatemala it was the interests of the US in here, They had a lot of companies making bussiness in Guatemala and back in the 1954 with a social democrat goverment of Arbenz he made an reform taking some of the United States Fruit Company fields, then the CIA made an invasion army to take down Arbenz. This is how all started, Actually our Special Forces Called Kaibiles are based on Army Rangers and trained by US Special Forces back in the 80's and right now as a fact we have here an ODA training Guatemalan SF Counter Terrorism Unit.
United States just as always its looking at their interests, i feel great to be a fully democratic person who believes in it, im currently on college and i hope someday to inmigrate to the States and join the Army and hopefully someday become a Quiet Professional to fight for Democracy on countries without it.
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02-27-2008, 06:13
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Well about Guatemalan i could be of help on the subject, the problem with States and Guatemala it was the interests of the US in here, They had a lot of companies making bussiness in Guatemala and back in the 1954 with a social democrat goverment of Arbenz he made an reform taking some of the United States Fruit Company fields, then the CIA made an invasion army to take down Arbenz. This is how all started, Actually our Special Forces Called Kaibiles are based on Army Rangers and trained by US Special Forces back in the 80's and right now as a fact we have here an ODA training Guatemalan SF Counter Terrorism Unit.
United States just as always its looking at their interests, i feel great to be a fully democratic person who believes in it, im currently on college and i hope someday to inmigrate to the States and join the Army and hopefully someday become a Quiet Professional to fight for Democracy on countries without it.
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A good start for you would be following the instructions in your registration message and reading the rules and stickies before posting further.
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02-27-2008, 08:30
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Cadete:
Im a fairly new person to this site, as being such, perhaps I can save you some embarrassment. You would be advised to do a few simple things. Follow instructions given you and observe before posting. Go back to the particular thread you plan on posting to, and see what others have said. Get a feel for the intelligence and background of those that made previous posts. AND take advice given as tuition to your education on this site.
Now, this is just an Ole Guys point of view. Remember anything you may have learned, someone here has probably been instumental in making it happen.
Something my dear departed father used to tell me: "Remember boy, you didnt write the book. Your just turnin the pages".
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02-27-2008, 16:56
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On a recent visit to Guatemala, I didn't notice anything that bad there. I thought it was doing pretty good for a country in that region. But then I'm not living there either! 
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07-02-2008, 21:57
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Was interesting in that girl's article that she said that an American company kept 90% of its profits. I imagine most foreign companies in the US keep 100% of their profits. Wouldn't this make US companies altruistic? I guess the American company would be thought better of if they packed up and left and those workers went unemployed? Bet none of those workers are complaining...
The only bad thing I think the US is doing to Guatemala is the Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton-inspired protectionism that is keeping their sugar out of our country due to the Dems curbing CAFTA. But, hey- we should all be happy illegal workers cross the border to work on our sugar farms instead of staying and growing sugar down there, right?
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10-14-2008, 12:47
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Guatemala- Ruined by America?
Guatemala,
Another LatAm country struggling to keep up with the demands of life. We have done a hell of a lot to bring Guatemala out of the iron age and into the space age by passing the atomic and nuclear ages. Aside from it's sea food, agricultural produce and it's touristic remnants of the past Mayan civilization there is not much in the way of resources for the locals to prosper on, so corruption is up, and at every level. Meanwhile, other better off countries are poised to take advantage of the poverty and procure the few remaining resources availlable for a hand full of change which will last a day or two. Now with the population growth of Guatemala out of controll, Where will they be, 5, 10, 20 years down the time road? NAFTA is an important part of their future, as purchasing and procuring items of neccessity cost 2 to 10 times more than in the US... But where is NAFTA? stuck in Mexico somewhere... With this in mind, can you imagine how the power plays from the different factions and segments of the entire social structure come into play. How should help/support be rendered?
A tourist travels to Guatemala, hears a story form an underpaid native Guatemalan from an unknown faction, then writes a book on how America ruined that country... excuse me....Stand in the door!!!!!!!!
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