12-04-2013, 07:45
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Team Sergeant with Low Back Pain
Scenario:
You and your team are deployed to train a special operations element of a friendly host nation in CQB techniques. Your team picked up this mission at the last minute, and there was something of a rush to get everything and everyone ready for deployment. The only other US medical asset in country is a family medicine physician at the embassy 3-4 hours away by truck. The host nation medical system is… not providing a standard of care with which you feel comfortable.
You’ve been in country for about a week when your team sergeant pulls you aside and asks you for some “Motrin.” Being a good medic, you ask him why he wants the ibuprofen, and he tells you that he has some “low back pain.”
I will give you the following:
The patient WDWN 45 y/o steely-eyed barrel-chested team sergeant in moderate distress.
C/C: “Low back pain”
O: “It’s been kinda funky for the past few days but it’s really pissing me off now.”
P: “No, nothing seems to help. Running around in full kit hurts.”
Q: “Sharp”
R: “The pain doesn’t seem to go anywhere else but my back.”
S: “Its pretty f’ing bad or I wouldn’t be asking you for meds.”
T: “It hurts pretty constantly.”
What other questions do you want to be sure to ask this patient as part of the history? What “red flags” in the history would differentiate a typical lumbago from something more serious? (physical exam will come after we discuss history)
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12-04-2013, 08:25
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Any numbness/tingling/weakness in the legs?
Change in bowel and urinary frequency (both increased and decreased)? Any bowel or bladder incontinence?
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12-04-2013, 08:28
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Any numbness/tingling/weakness in the legs?
Change in bowel and urinary frequency (both increased and decreased)? Any bowel or bladder incontinence?
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Patient denies all of the above.
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12-04-2013, 08:32
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Tell him to stop experimenting with autofellatio.
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12-04-2013, 08:41
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Tell him to stop experimenting with autofellatio.
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Patient denies adventurous solo sexual activity.
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12-04-2013, 08:52
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At first glance, he's 45 y.o., for pete's sake. Spinal joints are beginning a normal process of degeneration, especially after a lifetime of heavy duty physical stuff.
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This is of course the most likely etiology for low back pain in this demographic. Part of the reason for the scenario is that this is a common thing medics see all the time, but there are some things you don't want to miss....
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But...
Has this ever happened before?
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The patient has had lower back pain before. "he's 45 y.o., for pete's sake." But now that you mention it this seems different....
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Is there any position or action that makes the pain worse?
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Flexion is more painful than extension, but no position brings total relief.
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Any trouble urinating (blood in urine, painful micturition)?
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Negative.
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12-04-2013, 09:12
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Did he first notice this pain during/after any particular activity (or trauma)?
Where on his back does it hurt?
Is the pain constant or intermittent (crampy/colicky)?
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12-04-2013, 09:12
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Happened to me.
Turned out, I had a Pars defect in the L5, subjugal and degenerative arthritis, spondylolithesis at the sacral plane, and my coccyx was broken off and just dangling there.
Subsequent irradiation discovered a cervical fracture.
My first soap reads: "SM snivelling about sharp lower back pain", or something like that.
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12-04-2013, 09:16
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...and my coccyx was broken off and just dangling there.
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I love it when you talk dirty.
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12-04-2013, 09:17
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I love it when you talk dirty.
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lol Kiss my coccyx (if you can find it).
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12-04-2013, 09:19
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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc
Did he first notice this pain during/after any particular activity (or trauma)?
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There is no particular incident that stands out in the patient's mind, although you have been training hard for the past few days.
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Where on his back does it hurt?
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When asked, the patient points to an area you approximate as L3/L4. (more details will be available when we get to physical, but I want to cover history thoroughly first).
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Is the pain constant or intermittent (crampy/colicky)?
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The pain is constant.
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12-04-2013, 09:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty
Happened to me.
Turned out, I had a Pars defect in the L5, subjugal and degenerative arthritis, spondylolithesis at the sacral plane, and my coccyx was broken off and just dangling there.
Subsequent irradiation discovered a cervical fracture.
My first soap reads: "SM snivelling about sharp lower back pain", or something like that.
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OUCH.
I wrote the scenario because most of the time, LBP is just LBP, except when it isn't.
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12-04-2013, 09:30
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Any increased/unusual bruising, nosebleeds or other abnormal bleeding? Any pallor, decreased exercise intolerance/dyspnea on exertion?
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12-04-2013, 09:33
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Any increased/unusual bruising,
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Negative
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nosebleeds or other abnormal bleeding?
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Negative
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Any pallor, decreased exercise intolerance/dyspnea on exertion?
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The patient does appear slightly pale, and admits that he's been feeling like he's "lost a step" the past few days during training, not entirely due to the pain.
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12-04-2013, 09:36
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Any fevers or night sweats?
What medications is he taking (including antimalarials/prophylactic medications deemed necessary for the AO)?
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