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Old 02-18-2014, 22:22   #691
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That you resort to force when you have an "absolute tyranny," i.e. where there are no other options except force.
You can't have an "absolute tyranny" until the people are disarmed and can't fight back.

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Old 02-18-2014, 22:32   #692
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Not an expert on Thomas Jefferson, but I would interpret it that what he was referring to were countries without representative systems of government for the most part. Remember, the United States was the first republic since Rome. And the idea of representative government that the U.S. pioneered was viewed by the European elites at the time as an experiment that would end in grand failure. The beauty with representative government is that if enough people to stage an armed resistance become severely displeased with the government, that likely is enough people to just vote the politicians out of office.
Ever hear of the 3% ?
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Old 02-18-2014, 22:47   #693
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Not familiar with that term.
Goggle it - simple to find info but basically refers to the fact that the American Revolution was fought (by about 3% of the population) against the King with a number of patriots - far less than a number sufficient to "vote" him out of office...the phrase has taken on a modern life of its own - alluding to the perhaps small number of firearms owners not willing to ever surrender to oppressive governmental regulation of what many consider a God-given right.

The state of CT and the Hartford Courant are forcing a confrontation with a percent, perhaps even a small percent, of otherwise law abiding people willing to fight in defense of the Constitution.

I do hope that the State of CT does the right thing and repeals the registration requirement and that the Hartford Courant retracts their call for registration and prosecution of ordinary, law abiding citizens.
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Old 02-18-2014, 23:51   #695
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Ahhh, well in any resistance, you will probably have a fraction of the population that is doing the actual war fighting, at least due to logistical issues. But that doesn't mean it's only 3% that would support the resistance. 3% of the American population would be about nine million people, that would be a pretty sizeable force. And it could be larger in terms of people who carry out things like sabotage and so forth but don't engage in direct fighting.
Anyway, don't drill too deep or you may miss the forest for the trees.

This thread is basically about protecting a right - long revered - and enshrined in the Constitution.

The most recent flurry of posting activity has been in relation to CT's hastily passed and ill-advised legislation requiring the registration of arms currently in everyday use.

The people of CT (or most of the people, who own such weapons - reportedly not an insubstantial number) in an act of defiance have spoken - peacefully - in a widespread act of civil disobedience.

In response, the "big" newspaper in town has essentially called for prosecution of otherwise law abiding folks who basically just wanted to be left alone.

The lines of conflict have been drawn. The sides are clear - and history has shown that registration leads to confiscation.

The state of CT and the Hartford Courant are forcing a confrontation with respect to supporters of the Second Amendment...otherwise law abiding citizens who became "criminals" overnight...can't you see the relationship between this situation, the current political environment and the quotes provided to you?

The state, the media and other enablers are poking the people in the eye...not to mention running afoul of the Consitution.

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Old 02-19-2014, 06:46   #696
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It comes down to whether you believe the Constitution is the supreme document that established and continues to be a guide for our country or if it is an old, outdated document written by and for old white men and is not relevent in the modern world. I know at least one of the SC justices thinks the later.
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It comes down to whether you believe the Constitution is the supreme document that established and continues to be a guide for our country or if it is an old, outdated document written by and for old white men and is not relevent in the modern world. I know at least one of the SC justices thinks the later.
Read The Tempting of America by Judge Robert Bork and you will understand why the SC Justices believes the later.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:51   #698
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As this thread's initial subject was the "Protecting the Second Amendment" letter, that letter and this discussion raise a question that I've been pondering here.

1,100 "current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty US Army Special Forces soldiers " signed that letter, and more certainly would have. Are the principles stated in the letter representative of the majority of currently serving SF personnel?

I think that SF soldiers would be more likely to make a career-ending stand on principle than the average troop, particularly in the officer and senior NCO ranks. But I don't know y'all intimately, and I do know human nature makes it much harder to make a decision like that.
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Old 03-06-2014, 23:02   #699
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Not familiar with that term.
3%'s "Mike Vanderboegh The alleged leader of a merry band of Three Percenters"

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...-women-of.html

Supposedly this email was sent out to all the Connecticut State Police
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3%'s "Mike Vanderboegh The alleged leader of a merry band of Three Percenters"

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...-women-of.html

Supposedly this email was sent out to all the Connecticut State Police
This guy is very articulate.
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We will just have to agree to disagree
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Old 03-07-2014, 13:37   #702
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Ahhh, well in any resistance, you will probably have a fraction of the population that is doing the actual war fighting, at least due to logistical issues. But that doesn't mean it's only 3% that would support the resistance. 3% of the American population would be about nine million people, that would be a pretty sizeable force. And it could be larger in terms of people who carry out things like sabotage and so forth but don't engage in direct fighting.
You do realize that only 1% of Americans actually protect our nation.

I would never expect anything more from the 99%, why do you think we call them sheeple?
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Old 03-07-2014, 15:38   #703
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You do realize that only 1% of Americans actually protect our nation.
and approximately 0.04% with the highest ratio of effect (pun intended).


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A couple of interesting articles on the topic.

"Dear Mr. Security Agent,

Federal, state, or local. You, the man or woman with the badge, the sworn LEO or FLEA and those who inhabit the many law enforcement niches in between and on all sides. This essay is directed to you, because in the end, how this turmoil about gun control turns out will depend largely upon your decisions and actions over the coming months and years.

I sincerely wish that members of Congress—who may soon be voting on new gun control measures—would read this essay, but I realize that’s a pipe dream, considering the impenetrable bubbles around those exalted entities. So I’ll settle for you, Mr. (or Ms.) Security Agent, since you already gobble up everything on the internet, and I don’t have to seek you out.

A decade ago I wrote the novel Enemies Foreign and Domestic, a tale about how tragic events involving the misuse of firearms can be used by an evil administration to misinform and mold public opinion to support its malign anti-freedom policies...."(cont. at link)

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpres...ecurity-agent/




"An Open Letter to the Men and Women of the Connecticut State Police: You are NOT the enemy (UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO BE.)

The following letter was sent via email to members of the Connecticut State Police, Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. There are 1,212 email addresses on the list. There were 62 bounce-backs.

15 February 2014

To the men and women of the Connecticut State Police and the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection:

My name is Mike Vanderboegh. Few of you will know who I am, or even will have heard of the Three Percent movement that I founded, though we have been denounced on the national stage by that paragon of moral virtue, Bill Clinton. Three Percenters are uncompromising firearm owners who have stated very plainly for years that we will obey no further encroachments on our Second Amendment rights. Some of you, if you read this carelessly, may feel that it is a threat. It is not. Three Percenters also believe that to take the first shot in a conflict over principle is to surrender the moral high ground to the enemy. We condemn so-called collateral damage and terrorism such as that represented by the Oklahoma City Bombing and the Waco massacre. We are very aware that if you seek to defeat evil it is vital not to become the evil you claim to oppose. Thus, though this letter is certainly intended to deal with an uncomfortable subject, it is not a threat to anyone. However, it is important for everyone to understand that while we promise not to take the first shot over principle, we make no such promise if attacked, whether by common criminals or by the designated representatives of a criminal government grown arrogant and tyrannical and acting out an unconstitutional agenda under color of law. If we have any model, it is that of the Founding generation. The threat to public order and safety, unfortunately, comes from the current leaders of your state government who unthinkingly determined to victimize hitherto law-abiding citizens with a tyrannical law. They are the ones who first promised violence on the part of the state if your citizens did not comply with their unconstitutional diktat. Now, having made the threat (and placed the bet that you folks of the Connecticut State Police will meekly and obediently carry it out) they can hardly complain that others take them seriously and try by every means, including this letter, to avoid conflict...."(cont. at link)

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...-women-of.html

Very interesting reads.

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Old 03-07-2014, 19:07   #705
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Paper Wins Gun-Permit Information Suit Against Putnam; Suit Filed Against Rockland

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The acting Rockland County Attorney will review the decision.
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March 07, 2014 at 02:43 PM

A New York state judge has ruled that Putnam County must give public information on names and addresses of pistol-permit holders
to The Journal News.

Now Rockland officials must decide how they'll respond to a similar lawsuit that the Gannett newspaper filed against the county last
week. The Journal News filed new Freedom of Information requests after a statewide moratorium expired in May 2013.

"Both Putnam and Rockland counties denied the second information request, prompting the newspaper's lawsuit against Putnam in
October and, last week, a similar filing against Rockland," The Journal News said in a March 6 article.

After the state court's ruling, Rockland County Executive Ed Day said in a statement, "in light of the court's ruling, the acting county
attorney will review the situation and advise the county clerk accordingly."

Meanwhile, Putnam County is seeking a stay pending appeal.

"Warning, our worst nightmare has come true...Putnam County is being denied the right to protect our citizens against an
unwarranted invasion of their personal privacy," County Clerk Dennis Sant and Deputy County Clerk Michael C. Bartolotti said in a
March 7 press release. "We are fighting the good fight on this and will do everything in our power to oppose this crusade by The
Journal News to get their hands on your personal information."

In a news article when it filed the suit, lohud.com said the paper did not plan to release the names of individuals holding permits as it had done when it published information about gun-permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.

The state's penal law has deemed the information public for years. The paper's original act at the end of 2012 had caused a storm of controversy that overtook horror about the Newtown, CT school shooting, which had happened a few weeks previously.

The issue so infuriated Sant that he made a special trip to Westchester County to endorse County Clerk Tim Idoni's opponent Mary Beth Murphy in the 2013 election—and staged a press conference with a poster of The Journal News' gun map.

Sant's stand made him a national hero in some eyes—and got him a new parking space. He announced in January that he would not
seek re-election. He and Bartolotti urged everyone to mount a massive campaign to get the state's penal law changed.They also urge all Putnam gun-permit holders to sign and submit an Opt Out form, created after New York passed the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act in response to the controversy. It provides specific exemptions allowing some gun-permit holders' identities to be withheld from the media.


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http://http://pearlriver.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/speak-out-putnam-county-clerks-call-to-action-pearlriver
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