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Old 08-11-2022, 09:32   #16
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Classified documents. Do they work the same way for politicians as they do in the military? Can't the president decide what is classified or not? Did he not do this to these documents before he left office? If they are declassified are they now public?
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Yes, the POTUS has Original Classification Authority and can Classify or De-Classify anything that the Executive Branch has prevue over.

My guess, POTUS DJT (Before he left office and was still the POTUS) got access to the DOJ’s (corruptly obtained visa-vi the Clinton) FISA Warrant that was used to spy on his 2016 campaign (and then simply crossed out the classification markings thereby making the documents no different than a copy of a library book).

If this is true, this absolutely terrifies the lefties in the know at the top of both parties / the uni-party who are and have been abusing the intl community to SPY on political opponents.
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Old 08-11-2022, 15:06   #17
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Why wouldn't a subpoena work for this? A pretty big risk to serve a warrant to an ex pres.

Why hasn't either side unsealed the warrant? At least partially?
There had already been a subpoena and some docs had already been furnished. Subsequent to that it was directed that a room get a better level lock (GSA something something point something something). This was done.

MOO #1: Using a warrant to go big-casino to retrieve docs will be a big mistake.

As to the warrant, the DOJ (per Garland an hour ago) has requested that the warrant and property receipt be UN-sealed. It also needs consent of Trump to be unsealed. What he did not speak to is the likelihood that it'll be leaked anyway from the Southern District of Florida. Garland did not mention that the actual affidavit will be unsealed, which should have the affiant for the warrant and more detail about why the warrant needs to be executed.

MOO #2: This is not just directed at Trump. This is a warning to others.
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Old 08-11-2022, 21:13   #18
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Off topic, but I used to have blueprints of Mar-a-Lago. I wonder what ever happened to them.
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Old 08-11-2022, 21:54   #19
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Is this still in effect?

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Was this legit? Can DoJ and the FBI do this legally?

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Old 08-12-2022, 14:01   #20
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Is this still in effect?

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Was this legit? Can DoJ and the FBI do this legally?

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It has been reported that a warrant was issued. Presumably it met the requirements. Whether it was "legit" depends on what you mean by that. Cf. W.J. Clinton, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Perhaps one of the FBI surveillance guys reading this wants to weigh in?
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Old 08-12-2022, 14:44   #21
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The Democrats are looking at a midterm slaughter.
They need to change the conversation and increase turnout.

Their support in the last election was largely due to hatred for Trump, not love for the Democrat party.
They have been trying to keep the war on Trump central to the news cycle since January 6.

If this was part of the motivation for the raid, the reaction might not help their cause in the way they hoped.
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Old 08-12-2022, 14:51   #22
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Here is the warrant and the inventory list. Looks like the focus is on him taking classified material home with him, as previously suggested in the press. Query what the documents in these boxes are.

https://www.scribd.com/document/5867...oad&from_embed
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Old 08-12-2022, 15:21   #23
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Stunts like this only serve to make us look more clownish than we already do. This place is falling apart!
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Old 08-12-2022, 16:07   #24
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Here is the warrant and the inventory list. Looks like the focus is on him taking classified material home with him, as previously suggested in the press. Query what the documents in these boxes are.

https://www.scribd.com/document/5867...oad&from_embed
Thanks very much for the link sir.
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The Affidavit that supported the warrant is The Thing. Probably never gonna see that.
As Prez, I'm running our club's He/She bass tournament Sunday. (Husband/wife, father/daughter, etc.) I can virtually GAR-on-TEE that it will go off smoother and have a better conclusion (at a specified time) than this fishing expedition.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:42   #25
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This is pretty funny: https://www.thedailybeast.com/americ...ticles&via=rss
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Old 08-14-2022, 08:06   #26
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The vast majority of Americans are too wimpy to be effective in a civil war.
Very true.

Here’s another way of saying the same thing:
The very small percentage of Americans who are competent and motivated would have an outsized effect in a civil war.
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Old 08-14-2022, 11:43   #27
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One side is well-armed and ready, but lacks numbers and motivation (operational level leadership). They live in dispersed areas that are self sustaining with multiple / vulnerable lines of communication passing through their AOR (rail / power / road / etc). They don’t generally give a tinker’s damn about the other side as long as they are left alone.

The other side is large in number and well organized, but virtually disarmed compared to their opponents with the exception of the mercenaries they hire to police their areas. They live in major metropolitan areas that are nearly incapable of self sustainment and control almost none of their life support LOC’s (power / food / water / fuel). They also somehow believe that picking a fight with those who would otherwise be left alone is a “good idea”…..

Yeah… the people I worry about don’t scare me…..
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This is a violation of the 4th Amendment Rights! And that's all I gotta say about that!
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The vast majority of Americans are too wimpy to be effective in a civil war.
Very true.

Here’s another way of saying the same thing:
The very small percentage of Americans who are competent and motivated would have an outsized effect in a civil war.

I agree but be advised,, All the wimps will gladly support the puppet in the HW and allow, maybe encourage unfretted tyranny.

UW is only successful if the indigenous want and support a change to the current administration.

Without local support, you're just a bunch of mercenaries headed for wasteful bloodshed.


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Old 08-14-2022, 15:29   #30
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I agree but be advised,, All the wimps will gladly support the puppet in the HW and allow, maybe encourage unfretted tyranny.

UW is only successful if the indigenous want and support a change to the current administration.

Without local support, you're just a bunch of mercenaries headed for wasteful bloodshed.


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This is why the establishment must destroy Trump.
Resistance must be shown to be futile.

Trump not only resists, he fights.
The establishment is losing their power, and they’re terrified.

This is an act of desperation.
They need to show that they can act with impunity, or else the sharks will smell the blood in the water.
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