Reparations...again.

Richard · 02-09-2009, 11:55

Wanna know what Congress has been shilly-shallying around with lately instead of taking care of the people's business?

What a boatload of fertilizer.

Gutes lesen,

Richard's $.02

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 40

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 2009

Mr. CONYERS (for himself and Mr. SCOTT of Virginia) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.

(a) Findings- The Congress finds that--

(1) approximately 4,000,000 Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and colonies that became the United States from 1619 to 1865;

(2) the institution of slavery was constitutionally and statutorily sanctioned by the Government of the United States from 1789 through 1865;

(3) the slavery that flourished in the United States constituted an immoral and inhumane deprivation of Africans' life, liberty, African citizenship rights, and cultural heritage, and denied them the fruits of their own labor; and

(4) sufficient inquiry has not been made into the effects of the institution of slavery on living African-Americans and society in the United States.

(b) Purpose- The purpose of this Act is to establish a commission to--

(1) examine the institution of slavery which existed from 1619 through 1865 within the United States and the colonies that became the United States, including the extent to which the Federal and State Governments constitutionally and statutorily supported the institution of slavery;

(2) examine de jure and de facto discrimination against freed slaves and their descendants from the end of the Civil War to the present, including economic, political, and social discrimination;

(3) examine the lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the discrimination described in paragraph (2) on living African-Americans and on society in the United States;

(4) recommend appropriate ways to educate the American public of the Commission's findings;

(5) recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission's findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1) and (2); and

(6) submit to the Congress the results of such examination, together with such recommendations.

<SNIP>

SEC. 8. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

To carry out the provisions of this Act, there are authorized to be appropriated $8,000,000.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.40.IH:

BryanK · 02-09-2009, 12:07

What's next, are they going to establish a commission to acknowledge the fundamental injustice of having dingleberries

What a waste of our tax money.

afchic · 02-09-2009, 13:19

So if I can prove my ancestors had yet to cross the pond, and therefore did not take part in the slave trade, does that mean I am somehow not going to have to pay "my" part of this through my taxes?

SF_BHT · 02-09-2009, 13:28

What about the Indians that had everything taken from them.... OH they were here first.....

Saoirse · 02-09-2009, 16:05

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Originally Posted by SF_BHT

What about the Indians that had everything taken from them.... OH they were here first.....

I agree, SF BHT! And for that matter, what of my Irish ancestors that were "slaves" and discriminated against as well? Oh and the Chinese, and the Scots and the Italians.....OMG! They really do need to give this crap a well deserved rest, right in the toilet with it!!!

**Eagle5US** · 02-09-2009, 19:48

Racism in this country will never die as long as there are people in power who are willing to perpetuate it's memory.

Eagle

**The Reaper** · 02-09-2009, 13:31

See, I thought that 618,000 Americans paid reparations with their blood already, and that there were no slaves, importers, or masters alive here anymore.

How about we take it off the ticket for the Great Society entitlement programs?

TR

Soft Target · 02-09-2009, 13:43

"See, I thought that 618,000 Americans paid reparations with their blood already, and that there were no slaves, importers, or masters alive here anymore."

So well said, TR.

**Team Sergeant** · 02-10-2009, 08:23

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

See, I thought that 618,000 Americans paid reparations with their blood already,
TR

A good half dozen we relatives of mine that paid with their lives.

The morons Mr. CONYERS and Mr. SCOTT of Virginia are going to push me too far with this bill.

Team Sergeant

AngelsSix · 02-10-2009, 12:39

This has been said by others here: my family WAS NOT EVEN IN AMERICA when this was happening and had no part in it.

So why should my ancestors pay "reparations" to people who are not even alive? Most blacks today couldn't tell you where their family actually hailed from, let alone if they were slaves. Not every black in this country was a product of slavery. So how do we prove WHO gets the reparations? And why would anyone be entitled to it these days anyhow?

Sigaba · 02-10-2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Richard

<<SNIP>>

To carry out the provisions of this Act, there are authorized to be appropriated $8,000,000.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.40.IH:

The resolution's sponsors could save the tax payers a few million dollars if the two gentlemen and their staffs were to enroll in a freshman level American history class at a local college or university. They would quickly find that the questions they think have been 'unexplored' have been answered in great detail by generations of scholars.

IMHO, there are important conversations to be had about the role racism has played and continues to play in America but this proposal is a road map leading in the wrong direction.

Richard · 02-11-2009, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

The resolution's sponsors could save the tax payers a few million dollars if the two gentlemen and their staffs were to enroll in a freshman level American history class at a local college or university. They would quickly find that the questions they think have been 'unexplored' have been answered in great detail by generations of scholars.

IMHO, there are important conversations to be had about the role racism has played and continues to play in America but this proposal is a road map leading in the wrong direction.

Exactly...on all counts. More frightening than nearly any policy or politician is the ease with which the voting public is played for fools with words...and the costs in $$$ and trust.

Richard

Penn · 03-01-2023, 19:03

Wow, dragging up Richard and Sigaba, but this is where the search lead me. SO, ....

Reparation and % of black DNA to qualify, has not been defined, but having a partner in life with 31% Mali, 26% native (Indigenous), we are all in on the $5 million per individual payment.

This is in jest, but there is no doubt there will be thousands claiming heritage and showing newly printed documentation of group adherence.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-for-slavery/

My question is what % of black must you be to collect reparation?

Edit to add: Puerto Ricans would own this as the island was a transfer point of the slave trade, where many found solice in the arms of the native populance.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/960378979

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...n-book-slavery

https://www.quora.com/What-percentag...res-and-a-mule

https://thehbsway.rocks/portfolio/dna-reparations/ ****

7624U · 03-02-2023, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Penn

we are all in on the $5 million per individual payment.

My question is what % of black must you be to collect reparation?

They will do it then switch to a digital currency a few months later and that 5 million will be worthless and it will be laid to rest that they paid Reparations.

(How did they know that was going to happen, what difference does it make at this time anyway.)