Are we at war with Islam?

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It seems to me that that Islam has declared war on the world. WWIII may be just over the horizon. They have kidnapped people from 12 different nations. I think they mis-calculated. Spain crumpled but Italy, Japan and some East Europaen Countries haven't and won't. They lived under Stalin and did not lose their national pride.

Terrorists are now attacking civilians to include the press corps billeted in the Sheraton Hotel. Keep it up ragheads, sooner or later the press will re-evaluate their stand and realize who the real Bad Guys are.

My theory is that the WTC was a mistake on the terrorist's part and they now realize it. They can nip and pick at the bear but a vast attack like the WTC only angers the public into demands for action.

It may not be too long before we start to see mosques, world wide, go up in smoke. Just an opinion.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Michigan City Approves Muslim Call to Prayer Broadcast

By Sarah Pollak
CBN News Reporter

April 22, 2004

Muslims say the public call to prayer is like the sound of church bells.


CBN.com – (CBN News) - The Muslim call to prayer can now be blared over loudspeakers in a Detroit suburb. The city council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary approval to allow the prayers at a local mosque.
From now on, five times a day, the Muslim call to prayer will sound in the quiet Polish-Catholic town. The issue to allow the prayers has been divisive, to be sure.

Some see it as a religious issue. They say, "Watch Muslim people... They're ignorant," or "I think it is simple... Don't bring it up as a religious issue."

Others say the broadcast is just too plain noisy. One resident complained, "I got to sleep sometimes." Another, "I am going to be forced to listen to this."

Muslims say the public call to prayer is like the sound of church bells. But the city council has spoken. The prayers can be broadcast, but they will be monitored.

Rob Cedar, a resident who voted for the ordinance, said, "We are allowing it to happen because it is religious freedom. But we are also regulating it because it is a sound issue, or a noise issue."



http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/040422d.asp

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"Terror on the dole"
By David Cohen, Evening Standard
20 April 2004

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...9634?version=1

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http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40622.htm

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The following message was emailed by Mr. Iftikhar Ahmad the director of London School of Islamics.

London School of Islamics
Email: info@londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Islamophobia

Islamophobia and Arabophobia has been part of western culture since the Crusades, with Saddam and Osama only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen. The real reason for the current spate of Islamophobia is the fact that Islam has been the fastest growing religion in the world and as such poses a threat to the West. This is happening inspite of widespread misconceptions and negative media portrayed of Islam.

Prejudice against Islam in the West developed due to historic rivalry of Christianity against Islam. The defeat of Christians by the Muslims in Crusades was a big shock for the Christian world. These deep wounds are still so fresh in the Christian world today that the parents, media, politicians and teachers feel it a duty to nurture the feelings of prejudice against Islam in the hearts and minds of their young generations. According to Runnymede Trust, Britain has become “an institutionally Islamophobic” society in which Muslims are demonised. Hostility towards Muslims is still a major problem and is not being taken seriously enough by race relations bodies. According to Dr. Richard Stone, there is now renewed talk of a clash of civilizations, a new global cold war, and mounting concern that the already fragile foothold gained by Muslim communities in Britain is threatened by ignorance and intolerance. According to John Gieve of the Home office, Islamic extremism might be a “symptom of disaffection”. The same disaffection previously surfaced during the riots that shook Oldham and Bradford in 2001.

Jews and Christian scholars, the so called Western Orientals have always tried to mispresent Islam in their writings. They have always tried to spread baseless lies against Islam in a very authentic and scholarly style, hiding their deep rooted hatred against Islam. They have called all efforts to restore pure Islam in Muslim countries as “fundamentalist movements” against modern-day material progress and economic development. Lacy O’Leary in the book “Islam at the cross road”: “history makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.” Even Gandhi refuted the false propaganda, otherwise, one could not find even a single Hindu or non-Muslim in the Indian sub-continent and on top of that Sikhism could not dare to emerge as a religion. India would be the largest Muslim country in the world. In the 20th century new images emerged, the fanatical terrorist, the stone-thrower and the suicide bomber. According to Lord Carey, there was a deep-rooted Islamophobia in Britain . There is a worrying ignorance of Muslim people and suspicion of their presence in the United Kingdom. It is assumed by many that Muslims wish to take over ‘our country and if we allow them to enter Britain in significant numbers they will in time make the country Islamic’.

Mr. Denis MacShane, the Minister for Europe urged British Muslims to adopt the “British norms” and not the way of the “terrorists”, in other words “Islamic way”. He provoked Muslims to choose between the “British way” and the way of terrorism.” Monica Ali’s, who was mis-educated and de-educated by the British education system, portrays Bangladeshi Muslims in Brick Lane as backward, uneducated and unsophisticated. This is the main reason why her book was selected for Guardian First Book Award. The content of the book is a despicable insult to Bengali Muslims at home and abroad. The book can be compared to Salman Rushdie’s Stanic Verses. The combined forces of racial discrimination and Islamophobia have been awesome in the marginalisation and alienation of the Muslim community. Muslims made to feel like an enemy within by Islamophobic attitudes. Hardening prejudice against Islam is creating a dis-affected underclass of young Muslims “time-bombs” likely to explode into violence, according to a recent report. Life for Britain 1.6 million Muslims has never been easy. For decades they have struggled in the face of discrimination in all walks of life. West is not based on Judio-Christian civilisation. This term should be abandoned to be replaced by Judio-Christian-Islamic civilisation. The new language should be used in all venues starting with media, academic statements by politicians, church leaders and Imams of Masajid. These are the words that define how we are related to each other’s.

Through out the modern history, Muslims have contributed for the Renaissance of Western culture and society. Islamic values are not only compatible with the western values they are almost identical.Islamic ideas helped shape the European West that produced the values cherished by the constitution’s framers. Western culture is infact based on Muslim culture. The aim of education is to give the highest possible standard in order to advance spiritually, emotionally, technologically and economically. The early Muslim knew this and they were instrumental in giving the west much of the scientific knowledge that has once helped it to thrive.

Bernard Shah once said that the future religion of the West would be Islam and only Islam. Islamophobia is guiding Westerners towards that end. They study with open mind the Holy Quran and Islamic literature and poetry. Islam is a force fighting Imperialism. Read the greatest book of revolution: The Holy Quran. Meet the greatest revolutionary of all times: Muhammad (peace be upon him). In America a great number of universities, colleges and schools are offering Islamic Studies courses. There is a possibility that in the near future half of native population would revert to Islam. In fact Islamophobia is a blessing in disguise.

Iftikhar Ahmad

[Roguish Lawyer]

MartyrMakinaphilia

[Airbornelawyer]

Let us stipulate that everything Mr. Ahmad says is true. He is still addressing the wrong audience. While some do, most Westerners do not need to be reminded that Islam has a glorious tradition that is intertwined with the Western experience and has indelibly influenced our philosophy, science and culture. Everytime we imbibe alcohol while studying algebra, we are reminded.

It is Muslims, frankly, that need to be reminded that there is an open and tolerant tradition in the Islamic world that must be allowed to flourish if civilization there is to be saved. We have seen how the more open and tolerant tradition, respectful of the individual, triumphed over narrower strands within Christianity and Judaism. Let them find this tradition and strengthen it in the face of the narrower, backward-looking strains of Islam.

Instead of making excuses for Muslims to Western audiences, they should be demanding action against the radicals in the Islamic world. We are not the ones who need to be told Islam can be a peaceful religion - the "Arab street" is.

And even if it is not true - if Islam is fundamentally different in its approach to the power of reason and individual liberty than Christianity - they can still say it. Let them create a new dogma.

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
It is Muslims, frankly, that need to be reminded that there is an open and tolerant tradition in the Islamic world that must be allowed to flourish if civilization there is to be saved. We have seen how the more open and tolerant tradition, respectful of the individual, triumphed over narrower strands within Christianity and Judaism. Let them find this tradition and strengthen it in the face of the narrower, backward-looking strains of Islam.

...And even if it is not true - if Islam is fundamentally different in its approach to the power of reason and individual liberty than Christianity - they can still say it. Let them create a new dogma.

Amen to that.

meanwhile....systematic genocide by a radical Islamic regime in the Sudan.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Let us stipulate that everything Mr. Ahmad says is true.

The defeat of Christians by the Muslims in Crusades was a big shock for the Christian world.

[Airbornelawyer]

OK, so somebody doesn't like stipulatin'

Then please elaborate on which statement or statements you disagree with:

1. The Christians were defeated in the Crusades.

2. The Christians were defeated by the Muslims.

3a. Defeat in the Crusades was a big shock for the Christian world.

3b. Defeat by the Muslims was a big shock for the Christian world.

[Team Sergeant]

Trust me AL, I cannot stand the arabs and it has nothing to do with the fact hundreds of years ago there was a battle.

It might stem from the fact they are cowards that murder innocent people to gain media attention.
And their masses do nothing.

It might be the fact they recruit and use children as bombs.
And their masses say nothing.

It might be that their religious leaders place “death orders” on writers heads because they wrote a book. And their masses find this acceptable.

It might be because I watch as young muslim children laugh and help mutilate the burnt bodies of people they do not even know.
And their masses find this suitable behavior.

It might be the fact they enslave people by the thousands and rule through fear and intimidation in almost all predominately muslin countries.

It might be that the trillion dollars of oil they are sitting on has corrupted their religion beyond belief.

It might be that most women do not wish to be treated as a piece of furniture by some arab male.

Trust me, my disgust for the arabs and the islamic religion has nothing to do with a battle fought hundreds of years ago.

Iftikhar Ahmad can go and fuck himself.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Well put, Team Sergeant.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
OK, so somebody doesn't like stipulatin'

Then please elaborate on which statement or statements you disagree with:

1. The Christians were defeated in the Crusades.

2. The Christians were defeated by the Muslims.

3a. Defeat in the Crusades was a big shock for the Christian world.

3b. Defeat by the Muslims was a big shock for the Christian world.

I don't really know anything about the Crusades, but if the Muslims won, why is Spain a Catholic country and not Muslim?

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NDD,
the crusades were primarily fought in the Holy Land (and on the route to it... although that was less Holy War and more Rape and Pillage). The Moors managed to settle in Spain, and were only kicked out a lot later on. I don't think the Spanish eviction of the Moors is considered part of the original Crusades.

Solid

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I don't really know anything about the Crusades, but if the Muslims won, why is Spain a Catholic country and not Muslim?

Here comes the history lesson from AL . . .