02-16-2015, 23:20
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What ISIS Really Wants
IMHO (and at the risk of being an annoying echo) this is a good read. These assassins have devolved, and our perceptions need to evolve. We need to be resolute in destroying them at every opportunity and with any and all measures.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/
What ISIS Really Wants by Graeme Wood
"What is the Islamic State? Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors. ... "
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02-17-2015, 01:29
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IMHO (and at the risk of being an annoying echo) this is a good read. These assassins have devolved, and our perceptions need to evolve. We need to be resolute in destroying them at every opportunity and with any and all measures.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/
What ISIS Really Wants by Graeme Wood
"What is the Islamic State? Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors. ... " |
Thanks, that was a very worthwhile read.
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02-17-2015, 06:50
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Great read.
So, if an Atlantic reporter can put that together, why can our intelligence services beat it into the minds of this administration?
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But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”
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02-17-2015, 08:58
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And then there's the DoS answer:
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...e-lack-of-jobs
The comments below the article are worth skimming.
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02-17-2015, 09:09
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This is so stupid it needs it's own thread......
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02-17-2015, 12:56
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It is quite upsetting to see people talking of decimating ISIS. This is no solution to the problem at all. I think there may be a misunderstanding of what the word decimate means. It means killing one in every ten. Anyone who thinks that is sufficient needs counseling.
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02-17-2015, 13:38
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It is quite upsetting to see people talking of decimating ISIS. This is no solution to the problem at all. I think there may be a misunderstanding of what the word decimate means. It means killing one in every ten. Anyone who thinks that is sufficient needs counseling.
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How about annihilation?
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02-17-2015, 13:51
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How about annihilation?
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Now, thats how you deal with a thanatocracy.
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02-17-2015, 15:45
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Now, that's how you deal with a thanatocracy.
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Shaking my head. It's things like this that make me glad I got "educated" back when that actually meant learning something. (Though you did overlook an apostrophe.  )
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02-17-2015, 17:16
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It is quite upsetting to see people talking of decimating ISIS. This is no solution to the problem at all. I think there may be a misunderstanding of what the word decimate means. It means killing one in every ten. Anyone who thinks that is sufficient needs counseling.
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How about total eradication....
Sounds like a plan to me.
They want to do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want with impunity.
Simply put...they need to be eradicated.
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02-17-2015, 18:18
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How about total eradication....
Sounds like a plan to me.
They want to do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want with impunity.
Simply put...they need to be eradicated.
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My take on ISIS is that they are a Death Centred organisation, much like the Aztecs were. They are purposely making enemies of absolutely everyone in a subconscious drive to bring about the death of everyone, including themselves. A doomsday cult, if you will.
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02-17-2015, 23:20
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It is shocking that he has to make a speech of such self-evident matters and that the audience treats it as remarkable.
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02-19-2015, 21:37
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How about total eradication....
Sounds like a plan to me.
They want to do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want with impunity.
Simply put...they need to be eradicated.
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This sounds like Oblamo, queen of the links.
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02-21-2015, 14:20
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How about annihilation?
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That works for me. BTW, napalm and WP seem like appropriate measures, considering what was done to that Jordanian pilot.
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