02-23-2005, 18:51
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-23-2005, 19:00
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I'm going to go with a guerrilla instead of an insurgent - Colonel Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck
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NDD, have you read his autobiography and, if so, would you recommend it?
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02-23-2005, 19:11
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NDD, have you read his autobiography and, if so, would you recommend it?
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No, I haven't read it. I learned about him from other studies. I have it on my list though.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-24-2005, 09:50
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Originally Posted by magician
my brother, you really need to smoke less opium when you watch Star Wars.
Yoda, and other members of the Jedi Counsel...also served the Empire!
if there was any insurgent leader in the saga....it would probably be Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Princess Leia.
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The Jedi Council served the Republic. Gee, and you're talking about what people smoke? 
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02-24-2005, 10:24
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The Jedi Council served the Republic. Gee, and you're talking about what people smoke? |
not to mention that they were fictional...at least, in my world, the were fictional characters...
"roll another one, just like the other one..."
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02-24-2005, 10:57
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not to mention that they were fictional...at least, in my world, the were fictional characters...
"roll another one, just like the other one..."
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You've go to be joking!! Where did you study history? This really happened in a Land far, far away in a time long, long ago.!! 
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02-24-2005, 11:02
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doh!
of course the Jedi Counsel served the Republic. What was I thinking?
sorry about that.
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02-24-2005, 11:32
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You've go to be joking!! Where did you study history? This really happened in a Land far, far away in a time long, long ago.!! |
i didn't study history...i studied rocks-for-jocks...
and George Washington is still, by-far, the numero uno leader of an insurgency...besides, he was a surveyor, too...
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02-24-2005, 17:19
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Bacon's Rebellion was probably one of the most confusing yet intriguing chapters in Jamestown's history. For many years, historians considered the Virginia Rebellion of 1676 to be the first stirring of revolutionary sentiment in America, which culminated in the American Revolution almost exactly one hundred years later. However, in the past few decades, based on findings from a more distant viewpoint, historians have come to understand Bacon's Rebellion as a power struggle between two stubborn, selfish leaders rather than a glorious fight against tyranny.
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My great-great-great-...grandparents:
http://www.famousamericans.net/williamdrummond/
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03-01-2005, 09:27
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I'll make a case for Muhammad
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Originally Posted by CRad
people died in the fight for civil rights, but enough.
Ok, MLK, Ghandi, Jesus, Mohhamed and Wm Donovon have been ruled out as insurgent leaders.
One other thing - I don't think you can call OBL an insurgent. He's a terrorist.
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I'll bite on Muhammad. While Muhammad is recognized by Muslims as the founder of their religion, the last prophet of God, and the origin of the Shari’ah, he can easily be recognized as one of the most successful insurgent leaders of all times. Expatriated from his homeland after his revolution he established "The State" in Medina and began his attack on all of Arabia. Early Islamic followers of Muhammad conducted hundreds of “expeditions” that were as much conquests as evangelical missions. His employment of militarily organized expeditions each with its own head and blessed autonomy is the basis of modern cell-networks. His use of the divine for both the assumption of authority and basis for threat combined with the devastation wrought upon those who did not accept his authority and ideology garnered massive acquiescence and support. Early converts to Islam were among the poor and downtrodden, victims of an oppressive semi capitalist society of khalifs and amirs. His anti establishment message which brought hope for the those oppressed under their previous government ensured his ability to attain resources in any region. In the first 10 years of its existence Islam had fought Jews, Christians and Pagans, exerting influence over the entire peninsula and extracting tribute from the non muslim inhabitants. Successful in multiple major battles Muhammad brought the government of Makkah to their knees. The battle for Islam has been raging for centuries now and by both peaceful means and extreme conflict the Shariah and beliefs outlined in the Quran have been accepted by millions. Today Islamic militants following the same message and using many of the same tactics are engaged in conflict throughout the world and in many instances succeeding.
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03-07-2005, 05:25
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Daniel Ortega may be the Forrest Gump of Insurgencies; but he was also the poster child for the "Domino Theory" in Central America.
The Reagan Administration held him and the Sandinistas up as an example of complacency.
Another thing that intrigued/impressed me was the way he faded from view when the Nicaraguans demanded free elections. He could have done worse to the process. For all we know, he's running a PC help desk in San Diego....
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Looks like he's running for President...again.
NICARAGUA
Daniel Ortega picked as party's candidate
MANAGUA - Daniel Ortega, the Sandinista Front chief who was president during the 1980s but has lost three straight presidential elections, will again be his party's candidate in 2006.
Some 800 party militants called a special Sandinista Congress late Saturday in Matagalpa, a town 60 miles north of the capital, Managua. There, they voted to expel Ortega's chief rival for the presidential nomination, Herty Lewites, from the party.
Lewites, a Sandinista militant for 35 years and former Managua mayor who polls show is more popular with voters than Ortega, said in January he feared for his life because opponents within the Sandinista Front have accused him of treason.
The party leaders also rejected the idea that the Sandinistas hold an open primary to decide who its presidential nominee should be, instead voting to officially choose Ortega for next year's race.
Only a tiny fraction of the leaders on hand for the vote voiced opposition to Ortega. The voters also approved resolutions in support of Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan and Libya.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/11069491.htm
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04-28-2006, 13:05
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This is a really good Thread!!!
I did a search and came to this Thread..Great Posting here! A Ton of Information for read and for learning a bit over the Force to..
RL or AL have (Anyone??) either of you read the book Guerilla COL Von Lettow-Vorbeck and Germany's East African Empire By Edwin P. Hoyt
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04-28-2006, 13:25
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This is a really good Thread!!!
I did a search and came to this Thread..Great Posting here! A Ton of Information for read and for learning a bit over the Force to..
RL or AL have (Anyone??) either of you read the book Guerilla COL Von Lettow-Vorbeck and Germany's East African Empire By Edwin P. Hoyt |
No, but I have a copy of his autobiography waiting on deck. I believe that NDD originally recommended it...
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04-28-2006, 14:00
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I have not.
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04-28-2006, 14:26
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Originally Posted by MtnGoat
This is a really good Thread!!!
I did a search and came to this Thread..Great Posting here! A Ton of Information for read and for learning a bit over the Force to..
RL or AL have (Anyone??) either of you read the book Guerilla COL Von Lettow-Vorbeck and Germany's East African Empire By Edwin P. Hoyt |
Great book. Von Lettow on his bicycle doing recce, good stuff. A kindred spirit to the QPs -- he treated his native levies with utmost respect and they returned it in spades -- as opposed to the Brits with their Sepoy Indians. He tied up, what, 250,000 men at one point with a force of 8,000?
True story: Germany awarded Von Lettow's native soldiers a pension in the 1980s? Records were destroyed, so they had a German SGM hand a broomstick to these, by now very elderly, former soldiers. If they could complete the German drill with arms to his commands (which hadn't changed in 70 years, go figure) they were awarded the pension. Apparently scores were found.
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MtnGoat: this is really good too: The Great War in Africa, 1914-1918 by Byron Farwell. Interesting counterpoint to Guerilla because it's written from the British perspective. Von Lettow comes off just as heroic a figure in British eyes. Smuts, the English general tasked with hunting him down, clearly admired Von Lettow and only achieved partial success when he copied Von Lettow's tactics and use of African levies.
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