Venezuela, a month left at best?

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by tonyz

The socialist diet.

Study: Venezuelans lost 19 lbs. on average over past year due to lack of food
Published February 20, 2017 FoxNews.com

In a new sign that Venezuela’s financial crisis is morphing dangerously into a humanitarian one, a new nationwide survey shows that in the past year nearly 75 percent of the population lost an average of 19 pounds for lack of food.

The extreme poor said they dropped even more weight than that.

The 2016 Living Conditions Survey (Encovi, for its name in Spanish), conducted among 6,500 families, also found that as many as 32.5 percent eat only once or twice a day — the figure was 11.3 just a year ago.

In all, 82 percent of the nation's households live in poverty, the study found.

The lack of food has even earned a nickname: “The Maduro Diet.”

<snip> complete article at link.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02...lack-food.html

When the Soviet Union collapsed, so did aid to Cuba.

Cuba's economy went into freefall and Cubans on average also lost a considerable amount of weight.

Rates of cardiovascular disease in Cuba also collapsed in the period following the weight loss.

I'm waiting for Maduro/Venezuela to start promoting the benefits of the new "Venezuela Diet" from dumpster diving, eating flamingos, and just going hungry.

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It would be very interesting to see real time data(such as realtime "in the moment" smart phone surveys/polls) with a visual representation of when/where all those little guys transform from voting for anyone who promises to end their pain(parental pain of watching their kids go hungry) to eliminating the very people who are creating/enhancing that very pain.

Obviously Maduro and his Cuban/Russian/Iranian buddies will use every tool available to prevent/disrupt effective opposition from forming.

But ubiquitous mobile phone distribution globally must be one of the most disruptive pieces of technology to move at least slightly closer towards "science" on the art/science revolution continuum.

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Cuba is broke and dependant on Venezuela for free/cheap energy so I'm guessing is dug in like a tick to maintain the influence and gravy train.

Russia is going broke fast with cheap commodity prices, increasing foreign adventures to pay for its disruptive/influence foreign policy model.

Iran has access to more money due to nuclear deal, but has some very expensive foreign military adventures going on.

Outside of Cuba's undivided attention, I wonder how high on the list of priorities Venezuela is for Russia/Iran?

Would Maduro popping up in Pyongyang before Xmas be outside the realm of possibility?

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Flagg

Would Maduro popping up in Pyongyang before Xmas be outside the realm of possibility?

What, like Kim Jong Nam?

...the Venezuelan people can only hope.

[Tree Potato]

Originally Posted by Badger52

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I'll have to fire up the key this weekend & CQ YV and see if there's anyone down there yet that hasn't sold their radio to buy bread.

It would be interesting to hear unfiltered first person accounts.

Is there anything coming out from Venezuela similar to what "ferFAL" provided from Argentina, written by someone experiencing the crisis first hand?

[trinity]

The misery continues:

Venezuela threatens to expropriate bakers that don't obey new bread regulations

According to Roman poet Juvenal, people hope for just two things: bread and circuses.

While there is no word on the circus, Venezuela’s beleaguered government is demanding that bakers at least give the people bread.

The socialist government of President Nicolás Maduro threatened earlier this week to expropriate bakeries in Caracas that fail to adhere to new regulations aimed at tackling widespread bread shortages.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03...gulations.html

[Pete]

Another article on the bread situation

Venezuela has a bread shortage. The government has decided bakers are the problem.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...#storylink=cpy

OGOTA, Colombia

"Facing a bread shortage that is spawning massive lines and souring the national mood, the Venezuelan government is responding this week by detaining bakers and seizing establishments.

In a press release, the National Superintendent for the Defense of Socioeconomic Rights said it had charged four people and temporarily seized two bakeries as the socialist administration accused bakers of being part of a broad “economic war” aimed at destabilizing the country...."

[JimP]

Right out of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Bakeries can't produce bread? Just have the government FORCE them....

That's some progressive thinking right there.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by JimP

Right out of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Bakeries can't produce bread? Just have the government FORCE them....

That's some progressive thinking right there.

+1 They must have an ex-pat named Wesley Mooch advising them. Watch the experiment fail, kiddies - let's see if it ever makes it to the history books that make their way into schools (holding breath not).

[trinity]

Originally Posted by JimP

Bakeries can't produce bread? Just have the government FORCE them.....

And if their business fails, they are de facto criminals and arrested as such and put on Venezuela's no-fly list. (I'll have to go back and find the article--it was linked from one of the other articles in this thread.

[sfshooter]

Originally Posted by JimP

Right out of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Bakeries can't produce bread? Just have the government FORCE them....

That's some progressive thinking right there.

Your right Jim, this story has already been written with the title of ATLAS SHRUGGED. I am currently in the middle of this book right now.

[Team Sergeant]

Venezuela, can we predict what will be the tipping point? Where the people attempt to overthrow the current corrupt socialist/communist "leadership"?


I've not studied South America as much as other parts of the world. What's next a prolonged civil war?

[SC Pete]

I am amazed at how far they have fallen. Worked there in the 80s, and while they had a big underclass, it was a modern country, with anything you wanted available. Good sized middle class. They were proud of their history, and always told you about their Constitutional Democracy...Heh. Look what the Commies brought you to. And look how fast our Hollywierd celebs abandoned talking about the "new way" in VZ. They can all go to hell. Get exactly what they asked for...

[DIYPatriot]

Isn't the first step to admit that one has a problem and that their life has become unmanageable?

Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro has said he asked the United Nations for help in boosting his country's medicine supplies. Hospitals in the country are reportedly running on just 3 percent of the supplies they need. Maduro's admission on Friday that Venezuela was battling a crippling medicine shortage was a rare public admission of the desperate state the cash-strapped country finds itself in. "I have asked the United Nations to regularize the whole medicine issue," Venezuela's president said in a broadcast on national television. "The United Nations has the most advanced plans to recover the pharmaceutical industry's productive capacity."


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Meanwhile, fourteen other countries urge Venezuela to re-establish a democracy...

[Badger52]

"...regularize the whole medicine issue." = the whole world should gimme free stuff.

[MR2]

Has it been a month yet? Ten fingers says ten months and carry a few toes is another week. Hmmm...

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by MR2

Has it been a month yet? Ten fingers says ten months and carry a few toes is another week. Hmmm...

This could drag on a lot longer. Leftists don't admit failure or concede power unless forced to at the muzzle of a gun. Venezuela won't recover without bloodshed - a lot of it. I'm watching to see if I can recognizable the triggering event/tipping point when it happens and to determine if it's a unique event (special circumstances applicable only in Venezuela) or something with broad implications, replicable in other environments, that can be incorporated into a 21st Century "theory of revolutionary war" and put to practical application elsewhere.