18F Course - Page 5

BMT (RIP) · 05-02-2008, 05:04

O&I Dec '64- Jan '65. The last HARD course. We only had pencil and paper.

BMT

D9 (RIP) · 06-14-2008, 13:41

I sure hope the prohibition on 18Ds at the F course has been lifted. It really should be company dependent. Since returning from this deployment I've talked to 2 AD companies and 1 other ARNG company about slots, and all three were over strength on Deltas and there was a pool of medics at the B-tm waiting for spots on teams to open up. All of the above were either short 18B or 18C. We didn't even have an 18B on our last trip, but we had 2 18Ds. That was the story (more or less) in the whole company. What gives?

An extra 9 months of school, a mountain of S1 BS to deal with, unique exposure risks w/o compensation (Hep C, HIV, TB, Pesticides, et al), an MOS that requires extensive sustainment to maintain basic skills frustrating attempts at other schools, and now: no opportunities for upward mobility within the company!!! The hits keep coming. I wonder if the guys who complain about attrition are the same ones that come up with these kinds of fantastic incentives?

Surgicalcric · 06-14-2008, 14:21

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Originally Posted by D9

I sure hope the prohibition on 18Ds at the F course has been lifted. It really should be company dependent. Since returning from this deployment I've talked to 2 AD companies and 1 other ARNG company about slots, and all three were over strength on Deltas and there was a pool of medics at the B-tm waiting for spots on teams to open up. All of the above were either short 18B or 18C. We didn't even have an 18B on our last trip, but we had 2 18Ds. That was the story (more or less) in the whole company. What gives?

An extra 9 months of school, a mountain of S1 BS to deal with, unique exposure risks w/o compensation (Hep C, HIV, TB, Pesticides, et al), an MOS that requires extensive sustainment to maintain basic skills frustrating attempts at other schools, and now: no opportunities for upward mobility within the company!!! The hits keep coming. I wonder if the guys who complain about attrition are the same ones that come up with these kinds of fantastic incentives?

So what you are basically saying is you are tired of being over worked, over studied, and under appreciated...

Crip

D9 (RIP) · 06-14-2008, 14:57

Only for 14 more days.

**The Reaper** · 06-14-2008, 18:58

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Originally Posted by D9

I sure hope the prohibition on 18Ds at the F course has been lifted. It really should be company dependent. Since returning from this deployment I've talked to 2 AD companies and 1 other ARNG company about slots, and all three were over strength on Deltas and there was a pool of medics at the B-tm waiting for spots on teams to open up. All of the above were either short 18B or 18C. We didn't even have an 18B on our last trip, but we had 2 18Ds. That was the story (more or less) in the whole company. What gives?

An extra 9 months of school, a mountain of S1 BS to deal with, unique exposure risks w/o compensation (Hep C, HIV, TB, Pesticides, et al), an MOS that requires extensive sustainment to maintain basic skills frustrating attempts at other schools, and now: no opportunities for upward mobility within the company!!! The hits keep coming. I wonder if the guys who complain about attrition are the same ones that come up with these kinds of fantastic incentives?

You know, I remember when guys going to the 18F course, or O&I, or ANCOC had to have several years on a team and a bunch of deployments before they were eligible, regardless of MOS.

TR

MtnGoat · 06-15-2008, 08:43

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

You know, I remember when guys going to the 18F course, or O&I, or ANCOC had to have several years on a team and a bunch of deployments before they were eligible, regardless of MOS.

TR

Not Now TR.... TS are sending guy right out of the Q-course with two weeks to two months on their ODAs.

This is why the 18F is no long the Asst. OPS for the team.

D9 (RIP) · 06-15-2008, 10:24

I'm tracking. The 18F should have a good amount of team time. I think everyone would love to see more experience all the way around in the Regt today. But if the personnel are not there, or are they're there but broke and stuck in the rear, then what do you do? Ultimately, I'd rather have a less-experienced 18F on the team to learn from the 18Z than I would have the 18Z trying to wear both hats, although I agree that the situation is not ideal.

It's not just Deltas. The 18F on our last deployment was an 18B w/ a few months out of the Q when he went to the F course. In the end he had a learning curve, but after a few months he did fine.

Main point is that I wish they would lighten up on the 18D MOS. With the MOS overstrength in many companies, I don't see the reason for the prohibition anymore. There are medics in my company now with 5-6 deployments and plenty of team time. At least they should be able to go and free up another spot on a team for a medic.

Sir, I wasn't asking about 18F for myself. Crip told me he needs to get to the 18F course this year if he's going to be an E8 in 8 years.

**18C4V** · 06-15-2008, 10:42

The fox on my team is a stud, did outstanding on this deployment and he's our asst ops guys since he's the senior E-7 on the team. However, he's retiring and I'll be pinning on E-8 and taking over our team really soon and I'll have to figure out who do I send to the fox course?

I got two echo's who expressed interest with less than one year team time. But counting this deployment and his mother army deployment as a 11B, one of them has already 23 months of combat time. I'm leaning towards him since he was helping out our fox this trip. Like the other guys said, the average time time is really low. We got six guys on my team with less than one year team time, but have lots of mother army experience. Anyway I heard there's a shitload of new guys who graduated from the Q-course who signed into the company while we're deployed. So the vicious cycle starts again with the breaking in of new guys!!!

Surgicalcric · 06-15-2008, 10:47

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Originally Posted by D9

...Crip told me he needs to get to the 18F course this year if he's going to be an E8 in 8 years.

Dont go tossing me under the bus there dozer killer.

I am happy being a medic and have no desire to go to the Fox course whatsoever... I do wish there was more med courses but thats a different discussion. The intel side of the house isnt for me.

Besides, it will be another 5 years before I can make E7...

Crip

dave · 10-01-2008, 19:26

The ban on 18D's is lifted on the fox course with a caveat. We're allowed to go but they won't change our primary MOS to 18F. I had to do a lot of looking to find that information. Presently I've got a hard slot, but the CSM is saying D's aren't allowed. My Tm SGT talked to the NCOIC of the fox course, and I guess there is some sort of waiver that I need to get. From what I've heard we'll have to stay current with all of our medical requirements until we're allowed to change our primary MOS over to Fox, but little is known about it cause not many if any D's are going to the Fox course. I'll try and keep posting to keep you guys updated on how this turns out.

MtnGoat · 10-09-2008, 05:12

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Originally Posted by dave

The ban on 18D's is lifted on the fox course with a caveat. We're allowed to go but they won't change our primary MOS to 18F. I had to do a lot of looking to find that information. Presently I've got a hard slot, but the CSM is saying D's aren't allowed. My Tm SGT talked to the NCOIC of the fox course, and I guess there is some sort of waiver that I need to get. From what I've heard we'll have to stay current with all of our medical requirements until we're allowed to change our primary MOS over to Fox, but little is known about it cause not many if any D's are going to the Fox course. I'll try and keep posting to keep you guys updated on how this turns out.

With 18F at or over a 100% I don't see it lifted with the numbers of 18Ds.