02-10-2004, 16:08
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Let's talk about leadership
What are the characteristics of a good leader? What are the most important things for someone to do if they want to lead others?
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02-10-2004, 16:30
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02-10-2004, 17:10
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Re: Let's talk about leadership
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Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
What are the characteristics of a good leader? What are the most important things for someone to do if they want to lead others?
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Start by learning to be a good follower.
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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02-10-2004, 17:17
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Terry: Good one!
TR: And then?
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02-10-2004, 18:03
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Terry: Good one!
TR: And then?
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Identify leaders you admire and study how they led.
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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02-10-2004, 18:11
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I was just reading about.......
My 1SG gave each of us PSGs the book "The 21 Indispensable Qualities of a Leader" by John C. Maxwell. It is a very easy read and while I would classify it as one of those "self-help" books it does have a positive message.
The list is:
Character
Charisma
Commitment
Communication
Competence
Courage
Discernment
Focus
Generousity
Initiative
Listening
Passion
Positive Attitude
Problem Solving
Relationships (ability to get along)
Responsibility
Security (in ones self)
Self-Discipline
Servanthood (serving others vs. self-serving)
Teachability
Vision
Obviously there are varying degrees of each characteristic for any given type of leader but it seems pretty accurate. I particularly like the different quotes at the beginning of each chapter. Here is one from the 1st chapter by Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery that I found quite good.....(yes, I know he was a pain in GEN Patton's side, but even a good U.S. DAT like me can appreciate a good quote, even if it came from "Monty".)
"Leadership is the capacity and will to rally men and women to a common purpose and the character which inspires confidence." 
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02-10-2004, 18:55
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Damn Terry,
After reading about Sam Bird and BT, something got in my eyes...
You should have put a warning on that thread, "Warning, may cause severe reactions, watering eyes, running nose, and heart palpitations". I almost lost my cool.
Thanks,
Steve
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02-10-2004, 19:16
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Is there a difference between what you need to do to lead your peers and what you need to do to lead those under your chain of command?
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02-10-2004, 19:43
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My .02, whether it's your peers or those under you , EARNING their respect (by exhibiting, competence, care, etc.) goes a long way in making you a successful leader. That's probably the thing to remember is that being an effective leader is really dependent on those you are leading.
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02-10-2004, 20:32
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Credibility, vision.
It makes no difference if you are in the chain of command or leading peers in terms of what characteristics are needed to lead. The Chain of Command position simply gives you the legal tools to back up what you do. It may be more challenging to lead peers because those tools aren't there to fall back on (but very few of the men I considered leaders needed to make use of those legal tools often).
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02-11-2004, 00:15
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My squadron XO gave me some advice before I was sent to USMAPS.
"Do not try to make friends right away when assuming a new command. You will have plenty of time for that after you have proven yourself and gained thier respect. If you go in trying to be everyones buddy you will have a tough time when you need to be tough."
I'm curious to know if the BTDT's agree with that statement.
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02-11-2004, 06:01
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Very much, Valhal.
It is far more important to be respected than liked.
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02-11-2004, 13:11
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Quote:
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Very much, Valhal.
It is far more important to be respected than liked.
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Concur, totally!
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02-11-2004, 13:29
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Couldn't agree more.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-11-2004, 15:47
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Trust, Loyalty and Ability
From my study group -
Trust - Does he trust us? Do we trust him?
Loyalty - Is he loyal to his men, to his job?
Ability - Is he able to do his job? Can he lead us or will he follow us?
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