Steven Nicely - K-9 Trainer

[ABNinRI]

Gents,

In a LE network I am involved in, this guy is causing problems with LE friends from and around the midwest. He has primarily embarrassed himself with court testimony regarding K-9 procedures, and is more of a pain in the ass rather than a real threat.

He claims to have trained dogs for SFOD-D, as seen in the link below

http://www.nicelytraineddog.com/about_us.htm

If anyone here can credit or discredit this claim, I'd appreciate it.

Stay Safe

[Pete]

"..................Before starting his own training business in Austin, Steve was the senior trainer for the world’s largest commercial police dog training facility located in Somerset Texas. There he trained and supervised the training of over 1000 working dogs with several hundred handlers from city to federal level, as well as international agencies. To include the first two dogs specifically trained for the United States Army's elite "Delta Force."..........."

Heck of a stretch into pimping his abilities - even if they went there they were but two of 1,000.

Then again the question could be asked - "If he was so good how come they didn't order any more from him after he started his own business?"

[Peregrino]

I'll ask my Dog Guy tomorrow. He's fairly well connected; if the guy is legit, he probably knows him (or knows someone else who can verify him).

FWIW - One of the things I look at when reviewing an individual's claims is their command of MSE (Modern Standard English ). If they can't get that right in documents touting their "skills", it raises flags WRT their other claims as well. His web page is rife with errors.

[AngelsSix]

Bullshit. Concur, but we'll let this one work itself out without going behind fences. Peregrino

http://www.k9consultantsofamerica.co...um%20Vitae.pdf

Notice in the section listed "Invited Speaker and Instructor" he does not list anything about the D. The last date listed is Oct 2009.

I call bullshit. I can email my contacts, but I think you already know the answer to this one.

[Santo Tomas]

I'm am the MWD PM here. I'll check with my contacts.

[Santo Tomas]

Originally Posted by Santo Tomas

I'm am the MWD PM here. I'll check with my contacts.

I've heard back from some of my contacts. Nothing good. You can PM me for more details.

[joncken@live.co]

Please post an introduction and a profile.

[JimP]

He's full of shit so far as the Unit. That's all I'll say. Total BS.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by joncken@live.co

So, you wanna rip on one of your own? Yes he was head trainer at Global...

Not our circus, not our clown. The affected folks will get things sorted as necessary.

[joncken@live.co]

Please follow the site rules by introducing yourself in the proper thread, and filling out your profile...

THEN - you can repost the missing content with a special eye towards why it seems a little odd to make your first two posts in a thread that seems to have been settled with a "Thank you gentlemen" by the original poster.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Joker

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Originally Posted by joncken@live.co

So, the world of K9 scent detection has been sold a lie. I am bringing the truth and setting the record straight on record keeping. Many, those who went after Mr. Nicely were ill informed and ill trained in the real reason for record keeping. It should not be a weapon that an expert uses against an officer to prove the dog unreliable for PC it should be a weapon that the officer uses. Training records were meant for just that to use to better train the dog. Currently officers are being sold on the idea that record keeping is a chore and something to be feared. What Mr. Nicely was trying to do was teach officers that when they use them for their designed purpose, training, then deficiencies in either the dog or handler will be seen and able to correct proactively. However, nobody wanted to listen. Notice though that none of his dogs had reliability issues. Why? Because he taught the officers how to properly document and analyze records and use them to make sure that the dog or officer are not falling into any habits that could cause the dog to have a false response or reliability issue. So, when I am done, officers will not only be able to have a reliable dog on paper they will actually have a reliable dog. So that IF the dogs reliability is called into question all the officer has to do is hit print. THIS was Mr. Nicelys goal, to make a dog reliable and protect the 4th amendment right of the people. An oath he swore to as a Marine and Police Officer. One that all of you swore to as well. When this is done, you will all be eating your words. There are already several people in the LEO community who hated Mr. Nicely that now, knowing what is coming and understanding that it was his real goal all along who have a completely different outlook on him, what he was trying to accomplish and cannot wait for this to be released. It will be the tap tap bing for the officer and the dog....if used correctly. If not it will be their worst nightmare. The choice will ultimately come down to the officer and whether or not they are willing to put the work in required to learn and implement the program.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by joncken@live.co

So, the world of K9 scent detection has been sold a lie. I am bringing the truth and setting the record straight on record keeping. Many, those who went after Mr. Nicely were ill informed and ill trained in the real reason for record keeping. It should not be a weapon that an expert uses against an officer to prove the dog unreliable for PC it should be a weapon that the officer uses. Training records were meant for just that to use to better train the dog. Currently officers are being sold on the idea that record keeping is a chore and something to be feared. What Mr. Nicely was trying to do was teach officers that when they use them for their designed purpose, training, then deficiencies in either the dog or handler will be seen and able to correct proactively. However, nobody wanted to listen. Notice though that none of his dogs had reliability issues. Why? Because he taught the officers how to properly document and analyze records and use them to make sure that the dog or officer are not falling into any habits that could cause the dog to have a false response or reliability issue. So, when I am done, officers will not only be able to have a reliable dog on paper they will actually have a reliable dog. So that IF the dogs reliability is called into question all the officer has to do is hit print. THIS was Mr. Nicelys goal, to make a dog reliable and protect the 4th amendment right of the people. An oath he swore to as a Marine and Police Officer. One that all of you swore to as well. When this is done, you will all be eating your words. There are already several people in the LEO community who hated Mr. Nicely that now, knowing what is coming and understanding that it was his real goal all along who have a completely different outlook on him, what he was trying to accomplish and cannot wait for this to be released. It will be the tap tap bing for the officer and the dog....if used correctly. If not it will be their worst nightmare. The choice will ultimately come down to the officer and whether or not they are willing to put the work in required to learn and implement the program.

I can hear the extract bird on final.

[Joker]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

I can hear the extract bird on final.

Done. FFSI

[Joker]

Originally Posted by joncken@live.co

words.

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