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Old 01-17-2013, 12:43   #16
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Unless people are gonna use air-travel to get in/out of their locker they need to be locking in the opposite compass direction.
Growing up we would drive through CT...NY...VT...NH to get to Maine for a hunt.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:57   #17
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Growing up we would drive through CT...NY...VT...NH to get to Maine for a hunt.
Dad used to drive to Millinocket, Maine for deer camp - back in the day.

The thing about heading south out of MA puts you in RI, CT, NY and then NJ...none of them are overly firearm friendly. No, the weather may be harsh but the freedom in the New England area is north.

VT is proudly independent and their laws on firearms reflect VT's rural nature and colonial heritage. IIRC, VT is one of only a few states where carrying a firearm is considered a right not subject to regulation.

Maybe GOAL can kill this MA legislation - but I hold out little hope.
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Old 01-17-2013, 13:17   #18
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Unfortunately, Vermont has become such a liberal state that the legislature is considering assault weapons and large capacity magazine bans. This is not the same state that I left in 1972 when I enlisted. Too damn many flat landers have moved in and are now trying to make the state just like the place they left to move here. However, we still don't need a CCW permit in Vermont and we can carry open or concealed if we so choose.
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Old 01-17-2013, 13:39   #19
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Unfortunately, Vermont has become such a liberal state that the legislature is considering assault weapons and large capacity magazine bans. This is not the same state that I left in 1972 when I enlisted. Too damn many flat landers have moved in and are now trying to make the state just like the place they left to move here. However, we still don't need a CCW permit in Vermont and we can carry open or concealed if we so choose.
It is happening in Arizona, too. SO much so that I believed we should stop LEGAL "immigration" from CA, NY, Chicago, etc MORE than illegal immigration from Mexico (they LOVE firearms!).
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Old 01-17-2013, 22:28   #20
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The states are pushing back.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=18233268
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Old 01-18-2013, 00:48   #21
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Alaska Gun Bill Threatens Federal Agents with Arrest

Another state pushing back.

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Alaska gun bill threatens federal agents with arrest

By Richard Mauer
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- House Speaker Mike Chenault says federal law enforcement officers should be arrested in Alaska if they attempt to enforce any future federal law banning personal possession of assault rifles or large ammunition clips or if they attempt to register any Alaska firearm.

On Wednesday, just as President Obama was announcing new firearm-control initiatives in the aftermath of the child murders at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., Chenault offered his countermeasure in House Bill 69.

His bill would extend the reach of a law passed in 2010 by asserting that any firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition possessed by anyone in Alaska was not subject to federal law. The 2010 law only covered firearms and ammo manufactured in Alaska and it already was of dubious constitutional validity, though it's never been challenged because no firearm is known to have been manufactured here since then.

In addition to adding the word "possession" to the 2010 law, Chenault's bill declares that any "federal statute, regulation, rule or order" taking effect after passage of House Bill 69 would be invalid in Alaska if it restricted semi-automatic firearms or magazines. The bill also declares invalid any future registration scheme involving firearms, magazines or other firearm accessory.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/1...#storylink=cpy
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:11   #22
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A counter point to post #23

From a report filed on Fox Business on 3 August 2012 "States That Get The Most Federal Money" available here.

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1) Alaska
> Amt. per capita net of income taxes: $15,197
> Population: 710,231
> Pct. of U.S. population: 0.23%
> Amt. per capita: $17,762
> Pct. of U.S. funds per person: .39%
No state in the U.S. received more money per person from the federal government than Alaska. One contributing factor is that the state had the second-highest figure for defense spending in 2010, at $7,337.59 per capita. The federal government also allocated a great deal toward wages and salaries in Alaska — $5,709.52 per capita. This was more than any state other than Hawaii, which spent $5,805.78 per person, and twice the next-closest state within the contiguous U.S. — Virginia — at $2,638.68.
More generally, "Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In" according to a piece published in the on line version of Mother Jones available here.

And has anyone else noticed how closely maps of poverty in America match political maps--that is, red states have a lot of persistently poor people <<LINK>> and <<LINK2>> compared to <<LINK3>>?

So maybe before encouraging state governments to thumb their noses at .GOV --and risk a political realignment of historic proportions in 2016 (if not 2014)-- perhaps Americans who oppose more gun control could tell their elected representatives what they will support to help reduce violence against children in America rather than simply saying "no."

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Old 01-18-2013, 15:54   #23
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Mother Jones, really?
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Old 01-18-2013, 19:31   #24
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Old 01-18-2013, 23:49   #25
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Mother Jones, really?
Yeah Mother Jones.
Mother Jones is a politically left-wing American magazine, featuring investigative and breaking news reporting on politics, the environment, human rights, and culture.
Mother Jones has been nominated for 23 National Magazine Awards and has won six times, including for General Excellence in 2001, 2008, and 2010.
The stated mission of Mother Jones is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world.

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, called Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor, and self-described "hellraiser". She was publicly described as the most dangerous grandmother in America. She was a part of the Knights of Labor, the Industrial Workers of the World, the Social Democratic Party, the Socialist Party of America, the United Mine Workers of America, and the Western Federation of Miners.

She's buried just up the road in Mt Olive Il. It's practically a shrine. Right off I-55.

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Old 01-19-2013, 08:08   #26
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From a report filed on Fox Business on 3 August 2012 "States That Get The Most Federal Money" available here.

More generally, "Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In" according to a piece published in the on line version of Mother Jones available here.

And has anyone else noticed how closely maps of poverty in America match political maps--that is, red states have a lot of persistently poor people <<LINK>> and <<LINK2>> compared to <<LINK3>>?

So maybe before encouraging state governments to thumb their noses at .GOV --and risk a political realignment of historic proportions in 2016 (if not 2014)-- perhaps Americans who oppose more gun control could tell their elected representatives what they will support to help reduce violence against children in America rather than simply saying "no."
The fire of anti-Democratic rhetoric is coming from a demographic of free thinking human beings who appreciate being left alone with the physical or idealogical products of their personal labor and the ability to protect said products.
Anyone with a funcioning Medulla can readily observe that there is a press from the White House and associated Media that vehemently opposes the above demoghraphic and seeks to obtain their abilities by any means necessary.
It is clearly understood that their voice is now a whisper in a wind storm of pontificating, well fed, organizers.
The word "no" has and will probabaly continue to suffer attempts to be redifined, but like the prom date that wears the dress knows,
"No" always means "No".
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:09   #27
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The fire of anti-Democratic rhetoric is coming from a demographic of free thinking human beings who appreciate being left alone with the physical or idealogical products of their personal labor and the ability to protect said products.
Anyone with a funcioning Medulla can readily observe that there is a press from the White House and associated Media that vehemently opposes the above demoghraphic and seeks to obtain their abilities by any means necessary.
It is clearly understood that their voice is now a whisper in a wind storm of pontificating, well fed, organizers.
The word "no" has and will probabaly continue to suffer attempts to be redifined, but like the prom date that wears the dress knows,
"No" always means "No".
How is the call for a national conversation about gun violence and legislation to reduce gun violence "anti-democratic"? If the POTUS were relying on EO's alone, your point might have somemerit, but as offered, it is more noteworthy as an example of unintentional irony.
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The national conversation is not synonymous with federal officials deciding among themselves what is best for everyone else, while pretending "the people" are part of the conversation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state...ry?id=18253197

It's a big country.
Let each state decide for itself what should be done.

We may soon see the significance of Printz vs US.
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We may soon see the significance of Printz vs US.
Indeed. Many states are probably paddling along the canoe because of the administration they were under at the time, not understanding or choosing to not have it on their to-do list. My state still conducts a separate check for a handgun sale (but same check). Many of these mini-fiefdoms done at the bidding of the G could go away.

During the recent kerfuffle here over "worker's rights" (ta-da, Fed court has upheld as Constitutional) there was much blathering about throwing away women's right to equal pay, etc. It was nonsense, of course, that's something that's regulated in US law and there is no gain to the state maintaining a separate mechanism "in-house" to manage that. I doubt the G is anxiously waiting for some of the off-loaded state chickens to come home to roost.
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Wink Red states, money from Washington and poverty

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From a report filed on Fox Business on 3 August 2012 "States That Get The Most Federal Money" available here.

More generally, "Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In" according to a piece published in the on line version of Mother Jones available here.

And has anyone else noticed how closely maps of poverty in America match political maps--that is, red states have a lot of persistently poor people <<LINK>> and <<LINK2>> compared to <<LINK3>>?

So maybe before encouraging state governments to thumb their noses at .GOV --and risk a political realignment of historic proportions in 2016 (if not 2014)-- perhaps Americans who oppose more gun control could tell their elected representatives what they will support to help reduce violence against children in America rather than simply saying "no."
Sigaba:
I am somewhat surprised at your post. In the past, my perception has been that you generally are not supportive of cherry picking" quotes, factoids etc. Your post prompted me to look at the recent census data.
I suspect the information about Alaska and the Red states is correct.
According to the US Census data, 23-25% of Alaska's population is native American. Native Americans receive a fair amount of money from the USG in a variety of forms, cash, tax breaks, cash for each child and tribal member. Between fishing and hunting rights, education medical, these "benefits add up to a fair amount of money. Is the the money given to the tribes part of the quoted statistics? I suspect you will discover that a majority "Native American Reservations" happen to be in Red states. I would be shocked to discover that any poitical party or fiction writer for an activist publication would present such figures for any reason other than push their own agenda. The Fed transfer a lot of money to Native Americans (in wash state, the Fed transfers about $2K per month per child for every child) but, as you know they can make it look like whatever they want through the miracles of creative accounting
Bringing children into while relevant in some aspects is simply an emotional ploy. Right now, Jan. 2013 the public debt is around 16.5 trillion with expectations of a trillion more each year for the next four years. The "Fair Share portion" of that debt for all the children 18 and under is approx. $250K. What will be the impact in terms of intended and un-intended consequences? Will quality healthcare decrease, will there be fewer Cops on the streets? These things are too numerous to count but, the impact on those 18 and younger may be substantial. Will more of them die because medical care is more scarce? Fewer firefighters & EMT's Will there be an upsurge in highway deaths because fewer Cops? You get the picture. The tragedies will not be covered by the Pols or MSM because they cant stir up the folks and get more votes or sell more stuff. I will guess that many more of the children (18 yo and younger) will die, and lead lives with fewer opportunities, more illness, taxes less freedom because of these budget machinations. The Pols, the leftists and the MSM will not cover any of these consequences because, that would be inconvienent.Or maybe, the Red States are full of uneducated Rubes that need the Left to "Convert them" much the same way those Europeans did to all those simple native populations during the Colonization period!

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