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Old 03-19-2004, 18:39   #1
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Are we at war with Islam?

Disclaimer: I believe in freedom of religion and I don't think any one group, race, creed, religion are all bad. I also realize that Christianity has had its share of issues.

Are we at war with Islam? I've heard numerous people say no, including the POTUS. However, can anyone name one Islamic country that has no ties, either collectively or individually, to terrorist attacks? Islam is called by its adherents the religion of peace and they claim Islam has been hijacked by the few. And there are dozens of Islamic countries. Surely there must be one in which the religion has not been hijacked and used to attack the west?
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Old 03-19-2004, 18:51   #2
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Malaysia.

There have been lots of rumors, but no ties.
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Old 03-19-2004, 18:53   #3
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Old 03-19-2004, 18:56   #4
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Question Off the top of my head...

Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait and Baharain.
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Old 03-19-2004, 19:02   #5
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You guys aren't understanding the question. Basically what I'm asking is is there one Islamic country who's citizens aren't involved in terrorism - zero participation? Not just that the government doesn't support terrorism.

GH - hasn't Malaysia picked up a bunch of JI terrorists there?
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Old 03-19-2004, 19:10   #6
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Since you are making yourself clearer...

Qatar and Baharain.
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Old 03-19-2004, 19:13   #7
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Qatar I might buy, but I'm sure I've seen Baharianis picked up somewhere.
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Old 03-19-2004, 19:18   #8
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MANAMA, Bahrain — Bahraini authorities are investigating whether the U.S. 5th Fleet base in this Gulf kingdom was the target of suspected terrorists arrested in recent days, government officials said Sunday.


Officials said Saturday that five Bahraini men, including at least one member of Bahrain's military forces, were arrested in the past one or two days for plotting terrorist attacks on the tiny island.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78720,00.html
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Old 03-19-2004, 19:18   #9
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Are we fighting against a specific interpretation (or group of interpretations) of the Koran? Could groups using this interpretation be considered a seperate 'sect' of Islam?
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Russia's security services, the FSB, have long sought the extradition of Yandarbiyev from Qatar, where they claim he was being sheltered in a diplomatic compound under police protection. Qatar has denied all links to terrorism. The FSB accused him of helping to finance terrorist acts, including the Nord Ost theatre siege in which 40 Chechen gunmen held 800 Muscovites hostage.

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Old 03-19-2004, 19:58   #11
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GH - hasn't Malaysia picked up a bunch of JI terrorists there?
Yep, Indonesians mostly (at least one Saudi). Picking them up indicates fighting terrorism, not being involved in it. A bunch have been picked up in Thailand as well.
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Yep, Indonesians mostly (at least one Saudi). Picking them up indicates fighting terrorism, not being involved in it. A bunch have been picked up in Thailand as well.

It is so easy for them (Indonesians) to change their identities and passports in Kalimantan (Tarakan, Balikpapan) across the border from Tawau in Sabah so its really hard to track anyone. They can also get indonesian passports for the guys coming down from Davao and Zambonga who aren't Malaysian or Indonesian.

A large number of JI members have been arrested under the ISA (Internal Security Act) which is essentially, 2 years behind bars without trail. It has been proven to work. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors in Kemunting (the ISA Center) but most come out changed...

The problem is its also very easy to hide in Sabah and to use it as a transit point to operate in and out of South Philippines and then to make their away down south into Indonesia...bribery and corruption is also a big problem.

JI is active and well over on this side of the world..not necc. in West Malaysia where the police seem to have a better control and intelligence on whats going on in their backyard.
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Old 05-14-2008, 20:28   #13
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Right in our own backyard. Tolerance for the intolerant. How far can this go?CAIR is quick to the "rescue" btw


WorldNetDaily, May 12, 2008

BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS

Muslim threats force out disabled teacher with dog
Islamic students reportedly taunted 'unclean' animal


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A Muslim high school high school student's intolerance for a service dog needed by a student teacher with a disability has reportedly prompted the student teacher to abandon the last 10 hours of his scheduled assignment at Technical High School in St. Cloud, Minn.

The St. Cloud Times online said the situation developed with student teacher Tyler Hurd, 23, of Mahtomedi, who hopes to teach special education.

He's a student at St. Cloud State University, and was assigned to Technical High School in the St. Cloud district for his 50 hours of student teaching, and took with him his service dog, Emmitt.

The newspaper said Hurd needs a service dog because of a childhood injury that leaves him with seizures, sometimes happening as often as weekly. The black lab is trained to protect Hurd when he has a seizure.

The school district told the newspaper it wasn't really a threat.

"I think it was a misunderstanding where we didn't really prepare either side for possible implications," Julia Espe, curriculum director for the public schools, said.

Hurd, however, reported a student threatened to kill his dog. He said the threat came from a Somali student who is Muslim. Minnesota has a large Somali population, mostly Muslim, and they have been involved in issues over their religion in the past.

At the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport, many taxi drivers are Somali Muslims and they have raised objections to carrying passengers with liquor. Airport officials finally threatened to remove from the cab drivers' line waiting for fares anyone who refused a passenger over the issue.

WND also has reported on the dispute over a taxpayer-funded school in a Minneapolis suburb serving mostly Somali Muslim students and accusations that Islam is being taught at the public facility.

Islam forbids its adherents from touching dogs.

Hurd earlier spent some time student teaching at Talahi Community School, where he said his experience was good. He told the newspaper Somali students there even petted his dog, although they used paper to keep their hands from actually making physical contact.

But at Tech, Hurd reported, students taunted his dog, and he left when he was told a student threatened the animal.

University officials said they waived the remaining 10 hours of work that Hurd was supposed to have finished.

"We came up with a solution because I felt threatened by it," Hurd told the newspaper.

A meeting was set up involving Kate Steffens, the dean of education at St. Cloud State, and assistant principal Lori Lockhart of Tech, in order to avoid future problems.

"We certainly welcome (Hurd) in our district, and we hope we can get this all resolved so he feels welcome and his dog is welcome," Espe said.

The college places about 1,000 students in 240 regional schools to help them get ready for careers in teaching.

Original link: http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll...WS01/105120058
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Old 05-16-2008, 15:49   #14
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Kafir dreams

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Old 05-17-2008, 10:54   #15
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I'm pretty well read up on Islam, and my dad is as well and we've had a few good discussions over the subject and come up with a pretty good saying.
"Not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorist are Muslim." Hope you guys can play around with this idea.
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