Rename Bases

[cbtengr]

There can be no surprise here, PC is way out of control as far as I am concerned. What shall we rename Ft. Bragg?


The Army secretary is open to changing the names of 10 Army bases that were named for Confederate leaders, Military.com has confirmed.

Secretary Ryan McCarthy will consider the changes if he has bipartisan cooperation from leaders at the local and congressional level an Army official told Military.com. Politico first reported the news about renaming the bases Monday.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...C=eb_200609.nl

[sg1987]

Let the names begin.... some suggestions:

Ft. Diversity
Ft. Inclusion
Ft. Unisex

Hell let's just de-fund the military too. Think of the cash we can move to dis-advantaged groups!

[JJ_BPK]

Why stop at the military bases?

George Washington had slaves.

Let's erase the word Washington?

[EricV]

I have mixed feelings about this. Irony abounds. For starters, Fort Hood, named after John Bell Hood is kind of a chuckle. Hood was a good example of someone rising to his level of Incompetence.

As far as I know, there is no base named after Longstreet who probably deserves it more then any of the others since he really did reconcile with the outcome after the war. Course the Confeds never forgave him for that. Yes, Irony abounds...

"His reputation in the South further suffered when he led African-American militia against the anti-Reconstruction White League at the Battle of Liberty Place in 1874. Authors of the Lost Cause movement focused on Longstreet's actions at Gettysburg as a primary reason for the Confederacy's loss of the war. Since the late 20th century, his reputation has undergone a slow reassessment. Many Civil War historians now consider him among the war's most gifted tactical commanders."

BTW, we should remember that the Union Vets at the time didn't exactly cotton to some of the reconciliation ideas...

“It Should Never Float Over American Soil”

Nick Sacco

During my master’s thesis research on the Grand Army of the Republic in Indiana I relied heavily on a Union Civil War veterans’ newspaper called The American Tribune. The paper was printed out of Indianapolis from roughly 1888 to 1906 and was edited by active members of the Indiana GAR during the postwar years. The paper is extremely hard to find on microfilm today and I was really lucky to have the Indiana State Library–one of the only places in the country where you can find it–within walking distance of my house to aid my research. Just for the fun of it I’ve been going back through some of my files and came across some interesting commentaries from the paper’s editorial page on the Confederate flag. Here are a few samples:

On May 29, 1890, a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee was unveiled in Richmond, Virginia, along what is now called “Monument Avenue.” When reports suggested that Confederate flags were waved during the ceremonies, the John A. Logan Post No. 199 of the Indiana GAR issued an angry resolution condemning these actions as “disloyal and treasonable.” The Tribune gleefully republished the Logan Post’s resolution in full on June 27:

WHEREAS: The rebel flag was unfurled and displayed on housetops and in line of march, and used for the purposes of decorating in remembrance of the same principles that it represented during the years of 1861 to 1865, and

WHEREAS, The principles taught the rising generation by such acts are as wrong as that principle taught by anarchists and communists in carrying the red flag, which this government forbids. Therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we heartily endorse the sentiment of Gen [Daniel] Sickles on last Memorial Day unmoved by any rancor or spirit of hatred, God forbid, but we say as Union soldiers and the love that we bear for the stars and stripes that there is but one flag for the Americans, the flag of Bunker Hill, of Saratoga, of Yorktown, of Lundy’s Lane, of New Orleans, the flag of Washington, Scott, Perry, Jackson, Lincoln, Hancock, Grant, Hooker, and the flag carried victorious by Billy Sherman to the sea. The only flag that represents the right, and in charity we will not forget the difference between right and wrong.

RESOLVED, That in this country there is but one flag which represents the fundamental principles of a free government known and acknowledged by all nations of the earth, and while we respect the pride that animates the hearts of ex-confederate soldiers in historic valor displayed on many battlefields of the war and the sentiment which endears them to each other, and keeps alive in their memories the many scenes of hardships which they shared together, we sincerely condemn any attempt to resurrect from the buried past the emblem which represents a bad and lost cause.

RESOLVED, That the stars and stripes represent loyalty and the stars and bars represent treason, the same to-day as they did from ’61 to ’65, and we deem it the duty of the authorities at Washington, irrespective of political parties, to forbid the display of the stars and bars on any occasion, and this we do in memory of those who so heroically gave their lives that the Nation might live.

From an editorial entitled “Our Flag is There” on January 7, 1892:

When Gen. Lee surrendered to Gen. Grant at Appomattox, the latter would not accept Gen. Lee’s sword, and he included within that surrender a provision that all the Rebel officers should retain their side-arms. That courtesy of Gen. Grant expressed exactly the feeling of the great generous heart of the North toward the defeated and conquered South. Southern poets have written ballads and Southern women have sung of the sword of Robert Lee. This is all as it should be. But when Gen. Lee surrendered to Gen. Grant there was no provision made that the flag of slavery and secession should ever be retained, either as a souvenir or standard. It represented something that cost this country a million of men and many millions of money, and at Appomattox its bloody folds should have been furled forever. War relic or no war relic, it should never float over American soil.

A month later the paper lamented how many Northerners (and Democrats in particular) embraced what the paper called a “forgive and forget” sentiment that accepted the continued flying of the Confederate flag (“Still Pandering to Rebels,” February 4, 1892):

The Northern Dough-faces and the “forgive and forget” sentimentalists are largely responsible for the manner in which the “relics of the lost cause” are nursing emblems of their treason and are still laboring to make the same respectable. In poor old Missouri they have societies called “Daughters of the Confederacy” whose invitations to their balls and receptions have a Confederate flag printed in colors on one corner; and the principal of the leading military school in that State [Alexander Frederick Fleet, Sr. of the Missouri Military Academy]…advertises the advantages of his school with the picture of a late major-general of the Rebel army in the uniform of a rebel, and this officer was a graduate of West Point, resigned from U.S. Army in 1861 and fought for the Confederacy.

This sort of thing is becoming too common and the President should call a halt and order the officer now on duty there to his regiment, and require the arms to be turned over to the ordnance officer at Jefferson Barracks. It is high time there was a law forbidding the Government of the United States from furnishing teachers’ ordnance, or in any way aiding any institution of learning which seeks to perpetuate the principles of or honor the so-called Confederate Government.

All these comments make you wonder what these guys would think about our debate over the Confederate flag 120 years later.

https://pastexplore.wordpress.com/ca...-the-republic/

[SF_BHT]

Bottom line is you can not rewrite history. The left is hell bent on trying to rewrite everything. This is a stupid idea.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Bottom line is you can not rewrite history. The left is hell bent on trying to rewrite everything. This is a stupid idea.

It includes eradication of anyone who can pass history along via stories & writings as well.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by EricV

.....All these comments make you wonder what these guys would think about our debate over the Confederate flag 120 years later....

Well, since there is no "The" Confederate flag you would have to first explain to them (modern people) all the different flags that were in use.

You could fly more Confederate flags than you could shake a stick at and most folks wouldn't know what they were.

But when talking about "THE" flag we know they are talking about the ANV Battle Flag.

[JGC2]

Originally Posted by EricV

I have mixed feelings about this. Irony abounds. For starters, Fort Hood, named after John Bell Hood is kind of a chuckle. Hood was a good example of someone rising to his level of Incompetence.

As far as I know, there is no base named after Longstreet who probably deserves it more then any of the others since he really did reconcile with the outcome after the war. Course the Confeds never forgave him for that. Yes, Irony abounds...

"His reputation in the South further suffered when he led African-American militia against the anti-Reconstruction White League at the Battle of Liberty Place in 1874. Authors of the Lost Cause movement focused on Longstreet's actions at Gettysburg as a primary reason for the Confederacy's loss of the war. Since the late 20th century, his reputation has undergone a slow reassessment. Many Civil War historians now consider him among the war's most gifted tactical commanders."

BTW, we should remember that the Union Vets at the time didn't exactly cotton to some of the reconciliation ideas...

“It Should Never Float Over American Soil”

Nick Sacco

During my master’s thesis research on the Grand Army of the Republic in Indiana I relied heavily on a Union Civil War veterans’ newspaper called The American Tribune. The paper was printed out of Indianapolis from roughly 1888 to 1906 and was edited by active members of the Indiana GAR during the postwar years. The paper is extremely hard to find on microfilm today and I was really lucky to have the Indiana State Library–one of the only places in the country where you can find it–within walking distance of my house to aid my research. Just for the fun of it I’ve been going back through some of my files and came across some interesting commentaries from the paper’s editorial page on the Confederate flag. Here are a few samples:

On May 29, 1890, a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee was unveiled in Richmond, Virginia, along what is now called “Monument Avenue.” When reports suggested that Confederate flags were waved during the ceremonies, the John A. Logan Post No. 199 of the Indiana GAR issued an angry resolution condemning these actions as “disloyal and treasonable.” The Tribune gleefully republished the Logan Post’s resolution in full on June 27:

WHEREAS: The rebel flag was unfurled and displayed on housetops and in line of march, and used for the purposes of decorating in remembrance of the same principles that it represented during the years of 1861 to 1865, and

WHEREAS, The principles taught the rising generation by such acts are as wrong as that principle taught by anarchists and communists in carrying the red flag, which this government forbids. Therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we heartily endorse the sentiment of Gen [Daniel] Sickles on last Memorial Day unmoved by any rancor or spirit of hatred, God forbid, but we say as Union soldiers and the love that we bear for the stars and stripes that there is but one flag for the Americans, the flag of Bunker Hill, of Saratoga, of Yorktown, of Lundy’s Lane, of New Orleans, the flag of Washington, Scott, Perry, Jackson, Lincoln, Hancock, Grant, Hooker, and the flag carried victorious by Billy Sherman to the sea. The only flag that represents the right, and in charity we will not forget the difference between right and wrong.

RESOLVED, That in this country there is but one flag which represents the fundamental principles of a free government known and acknowledged by all nations of the earth, and while we respect the pride that animates the hearts of ex-confederate soldiers in historic valor displayed on many battlefields of the war and the sentiment which endears them to each other, and keeps alive in their memories the many scenes of hardships which they shared together, we sincerely condemn any attempt to resurrect from the buried past the emblem which represents a bad and lost cause.

RESOLVED, That the stars and stripes represent loyalty and the stars and bars represent treason, the same to-day as they did from ’61 to ’65, and we deem it the duty of the authorities at Washington, irrespective of political parties, to forbid the display of the stars and bars on any occasion, and this we do in memory of those who so heroically gave their lives that the Nation might live.

From an editorial entitled “Our Flag is There” on January 7, 1892:

When Gen. Lee surrendered to Gen. Grant at Appomattox, the latter would not accept Gen. Lee’s sword, and he included within that surrender a provision that all the Rebel officers should retain their side-arms. That courtesy of Gen. Grant expressed exactly the feeling of the great generous heart of the North toward the defeated and conquered South. Southern poets have written ballads and Southern women have sung of the sword of Robert Lee. This is all as it should be. But when Gen. Lee surrendered to Gen. Grant there was no provision made that the flag of slavery and secession should ever be retained, either as a souvenir or standard. It represented something that cost this country a million of men and many millions of money, and at Appomattox its bloody folds should have been furled forever. War relic or no war relic, it should never float over American soil.

A month later the paper lamented how many Northerners (and Democrats in particular) embraced what the paper called a “forgive and forget” sentiment that accepted the continued flying of the Confederate flag (“Still Pandering to Rebels,” February 4, 1892):

The Northern Dough-faces and the “forgive and forget” sentimentalists are largely responsible for the manner in which the “relics of the lost cause” are nursing emblems of their treason and are still laboring to make the same respectable. In poor old Missouri they have societies called “Daughters of the Confederacy” whose invitations to their balls and receptions have a Confederate flag printed in colors on one corner; and the principal of the leading military school in that State [Alexander Frederick Fleet, Sr. of the Missouri Military Academy]…advertises the advantages of his school with the picture of a late major-general of the Rebel army in the uniform of a rebel, and this officer was a graduate of West Point, resigned from U.S. Army in 1861 and fought for the Confederacy.

This sort of thing is becoming too common and the President should call a halt and order the officer now on duty there to his regiment, and require the arms to be turned over to the ordnance officer at Jefferson Barracks. It is high time there was a law forbidding the Government of the United States from furnishing teachers’ ordnance, or in any way aiding any institution of learning which seeks to perpetuate the principles of or honor the so-called Confederate Government.

All these comments make you wonder what these guys would think about our debate over the Confederate flag 120 years later.

https://pastexplore.wordpress.com/ca...-the-republic/

Great stuff. Don't forget the South felt slighted when Longstreet waited until after many Confederates were dead to publish his memoirs, including Lee whom he was critical of, hence his statue at Gettysburg got no base underneath it. My great uncle fought under him in the Seven Days Campaign so my family always held him in high regard.

[Pete]

At the end of the blog

"Yossarian will finally be able to return home from deployment when he writes enough articles, but the Duffel Blog editors keep increasing his quota whenever he comes close to fulfilling it."

LOL

[bushmaster11]

How about Ft Roger C. Donlon?


J R sends

[Guymullins]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

There can be no surprise here, PC is way out of control as far as I am concerned. What shall we rename Ft. Bragg?


The Army secretary is open to changing the names of 10 Army bases that were named for Confederate leaders, Military.com has confirmed.

Secretary Ryan McCarthy will consider the changes if he has bipartisan cooperation from leaders at the local and congressional level an Army official told Military.com. Politico first reported the news about renaming the bases Monday.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...C=eb_200609.nl

I think Fort Slight-Exaggeration is less damaging to those of fragile sensibilities.

[Golf1echo]

Preaching to the choir for the most part but I’m old enough the names of the bases I was stationed at will never change Fort Bragg, Fort Benning , Fort Leonard Wood, Camp Mackall, Camp Carson

Granted some have nick names like Ft Lost in the Woods but those were affectionately given by soldiers.

It was a privilege to me to be on those bases knowing the incredible history, especially Camp Mackall. So many times I looked around and visualized those great men who trained on those trails and drop zones, history came alive.

Fort Howard would be outstanding but I’m not sure men like that would support replacing the names of those legendary posts, it was part of their history as well. I suppose those MOH recipients were about doing, mission and their fellow soldiers VS Pontification, as these woke creatures are so intent on.

[sg1987]

I'm sure they would dig up dirt on all proposed names(look at the job they have run on John Wayne)....this guy was guilty of sexual harassment years ago....that one made homophobic statements....

We need real left wing heros folks...Ft. Harvey Milk, Ft Alinsky...

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by sg1987

I'm sure they would dig up dirt on all proposed names(look at the job they have run on John Wayne)....this guy was guilty of sexual harassment years ago....that one made homophobic statements....

We need real left wing heros folks...Ft. Harvey Milk, Ft Alinsky...

Ft. Hillary Clinton...where the troops who will never deploy are stationed.

[cat in the hat]

Originally Posted by bblhead672

Ft. Hillary Clinton...where the troops who will never deploy are stationed.

In that case it could be named ft trump.