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Old 07-23-2018, 15:14   #1
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Just How Far Will the Left Go?

An interesting summary of the political environment today - with an ominous opinion on just how far the left will ultimately go.

Just How Far Will the Left Go?
By Victor Davis Hanson| July 23rd, 2018

There was no honeymoon for the unlikely winner of the 2016 election. Progressives have in succession tried to sue to overturn Trump’s victory using several different approaches. First on the bogus claim of fraudulent voting machines. Then they sought to subvert the Electoral College by bullying electors into renouncing their respective states’ votes.

Massive protests and boycotts marked the inauguration. Then there were articles of impeachment introduced in the House. Some sued to remove Trump on a warped interpretation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Others brought in psychiatrists to testify that Trump was ill, disabled, or insane and should be removed in accordance with the 25th Amendment. The former FBI director, CIA director, and director of the Office of National Intelligence have variously smeared the president as a coward, a traitor, and a Russian mole.

The Mueller Investigation
We are about 430 days into Robert Mueller’s investigation; the special prosecutor whose team of lawyers and investigators has in a large part been made up either of Clinton donors, clear Clinton partisans, lawyers who have in the past represented Clinton interests or employees, or partisans already removed for expressing clear Trump hatred. The media grew ecstatic over its creation, dubbing it an “all-star” or “dream” team, as leaks assured the public that next week, next month, or “soon” there would be a sensational indictment proving that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the presidency.

We have gone through the psychodramas surrounding Michael Cohen, Stormy Daniels, Michael Flynn, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and a host of others. Any second, any minute they would be indicted for collusion in throwing an election, or they would soon flip and end the Trump presidency.

When we learned that Robert Mueller initially did not disclose to the media why he had fired Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and why he had spaced out their firings to prevent the impression that they were connected, we were only reassured of the professionalism of the Mueller investigation.

It was considered blasphemous to suggest that Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and James Comey were all former associates and friends—and thus it would be awkward to ensure the public that they could pose as disinterested investigators, given the reality that some of the investigators might soon end up as the investigated.

When indictments of Manafort, Flynn and some minor Trump officials followed that had nothing to do with the original mandate of collusion, the press cheered them as appetizers for the main course of impeachment to come. It was considered unpatriotic to suggest that Mueller did not find Russian collusion in a sea of collusion—at least as evidenced by a prior Obama hot mic quid pro quo promise to calibrate U.S. policy on European missile defense to Russian behavior conducive to Obama’s 2012 reelection, or huge Russian-related donations to the Clinton Foundation roughly at the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton helped to facilitate sales of some U.S. uranium to Russian companies. Trump is said to be paranoid, uncouth, reckless, and crude. And he has been at times. But no prior president has been under investigation for 80 percent of his first two years in office, by an investigatory team that is so patently compromised by conflicts of political interest, and so unable to find collusion or wrongdoing in a sea of what is likely to turn out to be FBI, CIA, and Justice Department criminality in 2016.

Killing Hitler Trump
The methods of rhetorically assassinating Trump all have been tried out by progressive celebrities, politicians, and academics: decapitation, high explosives, nightly ritual stabbing, hanging, death by elevator, death by escalator, shooting, incineration, and fisticuffs. The reason that Kathy Griffin, Madonna, Robert De Niro, Kamala Harris, or Snoop Dogg have been lately quiet about killing Trump is that the various ways to do so have long ago been exhausted.

Trump as Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin is now old hat. Trump as traitor was boring long ago. What can one say after she has compared Trump’s agenda to Pearl Harbor, the Holocaust, and 9/11? If the tax cuts, immigration policy, or NATO and Russian summits are equal to killing 3,000 Americans, what is left to the imagination? If talking sloppily about Putin is tantamount to the Holocaust, then what exactly was the Holocaust, a bad press conference? And if we are to believe that anything Trump has done is equivalent to starting a war that killed 65 million people and engineered the Final Solution, then among our 325 million fellow Americans perhaps a few dozen will watch CNN or MSNBC talking heads lecturing on the Führer, and conclude the only patriotic thing to do is to eliminate this new incarnation of Hitler.

Trump War on All Fronts
Progressives are urged to go to stores, gas stations, restaurants and confront Trump Administration officials, in a sort of Obama-like “get in their faces” or “take a gun to a knife fight” advice to make life miserable for anyone who would dare work for Trump.

A former Clinton aide has organized adolescent noise-maker rallies near the White House, ostensibly to make so much racket that Trump will not be able to sleep in the presidential bedroom. Restaurants have refused to serve Trump appointees.

There is no respite from the war against Trump. The NFL, the NBA, late-night comedy shows, cable news, sitcoms, Hollywood movies, books, and music have all found ways to turn their genres into anti-Trump theater.

There is no respite; there is no refuge—not the Super Bowl, not the Emmys, not the Grammys, not the Oscars. Almost every aspect of American culture has been weaponized to delegitimize Trump.

The Roots of Trump Derangement
Is the anger, then, that we are in a depression, war, or plague?

Actually, no. The economy is growing at rates that we have not seen in over a decade. Unemployment, especially minority joblessness, is at a historic low. Even The stock market is at record highs. The United States is now the world’s largest producer of oil, natural gas, and coal. Consumer and business confidence is at a near all-time high.

NATO is re-calibrating its military contributions to increase defense spending. North Korea has stopped talking about nuking our West Coast. The Iranian theocracy is panicking after the end of the Iran Deal. There have not been any incidents this year of Iranian hazing of U.S. ships. China is scrambling to find ways to readjust its lopsided trade surpluses induced by commercial cheating and dumping. Never has a Republican president appointed and had confirmed more conservative and stellar judges. The National Security team of Pompeo, Bolton, Mattis, and Haley is perhaps the most skilled since World War II.

Why then the hate, the furor, the sheer mania?

The Left lost what it thought was a sure-thing election. There is now no assured 16-year Obama-Clinton regnum that would complete what the Obamas had called the final “fundamental transformation” of the United States. It cannot accept that it blew certain victory. A huge fundraising advantage, a toady media, massive defections of Republican establishment intellectuals and pundits, the lack of prior military or political experience of candidate Donald Trump, and a popular vote plurality all proved for naught. The unimaginable then became all too real.

And fantasy was substituted for reality as smears, slurs, and denials ensued. Think of the 2000 election cubed.

Trump is not a George H.W. Bush or Mitt Romney. He knows no etiquette. He is no gentleman. He is a bruiser, brawler, exaggerator, and performer. What created President Trump was not just “The Apprentice” or the Manhattan real estate market (such a résumé only honed his pugilist skills).

Rather, half the country was tired of Republicans grimacing as they were portrayed as throwing grandmothers off cliffs. They were tired of seeing political commercials of bodies of the murdered dragged behind trucks, or charges that Republicans cruelly put their pets on their car roof. They were tired of the anti-Semitic and racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a presidential candidate’s personal pastor, being off limits, but not the supposed senility of John McCain who in 2008 was pilloried as a doddering multi-millionaire who forgot how many houses he had owned. In 2012, it was Mitt Romney’s wife whose sins were wearing equestrian clothes.

Given the growing furor over half the country as demonized clingers, deplorables, and crazies, if Trump did not exist, a don’t-tread-on-me street fighter would have had to be invented. Progressives have gone ballistic that any opponent would reply to them in kind. Think of “Caddyshack,” when uncouth Rodney Dangerfield burst into smug Ted Knight’s country club.

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VDH opinion piece continued below - part 2.
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The Left did not just lose the 2016 election, it lost the Congress, the presidency, and the Supreme Court. And it lost them all to a rash, uncouth Queens-accented Manhattan billionaire reality TV star, who systematically planned to dismantle eight years of Obama Administration executive-orders. And unlike almost all prior politicians Trump when in office kept his promises and systematically went about to halt the supposed progressive future. Think of a liberal nightmare something akin to Sarah Palin as president in 2012.

The Obama apparat and the proverbial deep state never imagined Trump could win and thus to ensure that he would not just be defeated but humiliated, vied to use the power of government to destroy the Trump candidacy.

The National Security Council was weaponized and thus unmasked the names of surveilled Americans and leaked their names to the press to undermine the Trump campaign. The Department of Justice was weaponized to ensure Hillary Clinton was exonerated for her misdeeds concerning her email server and quid pro quo collusion with a variety of foreign and domestic influence peddlers and buyers. The FBI and CIA were weaponized to subvert the Trump campaign, by peddling an unverified smear dossier, paid for by Hillary Clinton, by implanting informants into the Trump campaign, and by undermining a FISA court through dishonest presentations of evidence for warrants to spy on American citizens.

All such behavior was assumed to ensure the landslide Clinton victory and thus would be seen as sacrifice beyond the call of duty to be rewarded by a President Clinton not as illegal behavior to be punished during a Trump administration. And as a result, the more culpability that was exposed, the more the culpable went on the offensive—on the theory that constant attack is the best defense against their own criminal liability. Think of the fears of John Brennan behind bars.

The progressive hysteria reveals the lack of an idea. Kill, humiliate, delegitimize Trump is not a sustainable political agenda whether winning a local assembly seat or a liberal majority on the Supreme Court. But then neither are socialist ideas. If the Left was intellectually honest it would run in November on what it now professes are its new core beliefs: the abolition of ICE, the end to all deportations, open borders, expansions of affirmative action, abortion on demand, and identity politics, cancellation of student debt, universal Medicare-like coverage for Americans of all ages, massive tax hikes, more regulations, and less fossil fuel production, and an EU-like socialist-democratic foreign policy.

The problem is that the above is probably not a 51 percent winnable program. And progressives fear that their base will not allow them to move to the center to capture the old blue-collar white working class, or the Perot, Tea-Party and Blue Dog voter. Nor can they afford to move much further leftward, given they are increasingly dependent on Obama-like identity politics candidates without an Obama-like charismatic candidate.

Democrats privately acknowledge that Obama wrecked the Democratic Party—losing Congress, the presidency, state and local offices, and now the Supreme Court. But they must praise the forces of that wreckage and seek to trump them by becoming the party of hyper-identity politics. In other words, the Democrats know what sort of agenda might bring them back into power as it did in 1992. But they feel that Clintonesque cure is worse than the disease of being in the purer political wilderness without power.

So, for now, they rant, they rave, and they stew, accepting that they cannot do what might save them and therefore they only do more of what is destroying them. Out of that lose-lose dilemma was birthed Trump hatred. Without a persuasive argument, progressives came up with the mantra that Trump is a traitor, and that all they needed to do was to explain to supposedly dense voters that their current economic renaissance was actually jackbooted National Socialism.

How far will the Left go? I fear that we have seen nothing yet.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/23/j...l-the-left-go/
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Old 07-24-2018, 05:07   #3
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It is, simply, a massive temper tantrum.
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It is, simply, a massive temper tantrum.
It's more than that - it is an active coup against a sitting president. Think ANY of this stuff would have been possible against Obama (peace be unto him)?
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Politics my friends..... POLITICS
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:11   #6
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And, as they say “politics is war by other means.”

The fundamental transformation of America hit a speed bump...caught some air...to be continued...

The Left is and has been ‘at war’ with many of us and our values for decades and they are using politics as the means to drive the cultural and economic transformation and obtain their objective.
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And, as they say “politics is war by other means.”

The fundamental transformation of America hit a speed bump...caught some air...to be continued...

The Left is and has been ‘at war’ with many of us and our values for decades and they are using politics as the means to drive the cultural and economic transformation and obtain their objective.
The "Left" Whackjobs have been "at war" with themselves besides "Us". Tell me, did we have the same “publicized” rhetoric, marches, Vagina Hat Parades from the Right when Obama-Mama Or Clinton was Prez? Not that I knew about. As we well know, the Media is sooooooo “Left” biased that if the “D” farted it would be a conspiracy and all over the non-news. I cannot even sit through a minute of that fake shit and blind journalism. The “Left” has always been one-sided, vindictive, stomp their feet criers whenever something does not go their way. It’s sort of like the spoiled child who strives for attention. My gosh, it’s “my way” or nothing…….there is no compromise; ever….I have to say that the “Right” has its own fair share of clown’s asses that do the same, but not to the full extent that the “Left” has always done.

Politics is Politics, either way you slice the cake. I see it every day at work, and I know why we never get things done or how one district or contractor is ”the chosen” one over the other. It is all about who you are in bed with, money, favoritism, power, and re-election. It’s insane….Face it, the “Left” hates the “D”, and cannot stand what this Country really stands for because they want it “easy, accessible, free” without making an effort or getting their hands dirty. Its dangerous waters, and the sharks are circling the cage (be it Nurse Sharks on the “Left”, still leave a mark but never finish with the big bite). It’s sort of like the sewer has overflowed and we are trying to mop up the stench. Sorry, I am ranting…bad day at work…you know…Politics…it’s an Election Year…LOL
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Rita, the Tea Party movement was arguably a conservative response to Barry’s election to office.

However, one need only go back and look at those Tea Party rallies - to contrast the deranged Left Vagina Hat wearers with - conservative calls for lower taxes, less debt, smaller government and secure borders among other things.

VDH in the OP does a solid job of laying out the extensive and desperate means the Left has pursued - thus far - in opposition to the swamp outsider - Trump.

Weaponizing high level government agencies and offices (IRS, DOJ, FBI, FISA courts ...to just name a few) by an incumbent political party against the opposing party during a presidential election cycle is a whole new level of subversion IMHO.

Considering the extent of corruption that VDH sets forth above...is there really anything that the Left believes does not justify their ends? Rhetorical question.
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It's more than that - it is an active coup against a sitting president. Think ANY of this stuff would have been possible against Obama (peace be unto him)?
And an attempt to de-legitimize the people who voted for President Trump.

Then there's this little tidbit:
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Former Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper admitted in a CNN interview Saturday that former President Obama instigated the ongoing investigations into Donald Trump and those in his orbit.

Speaking with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Clapper let slip:

If it weren’t for President Obama we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set up a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today including Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place.
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Was it not Nikita Khruschev who said something along the lines of "We do not have to invade the USoA ... We will destroy you from within"? The left is trying it's best to fulfill his 1950's prediction. The core of Americans are not near as dumb or ignorant and the elite left thinks or want us to believe. Thanks to the hatred of the crazies on the left, we have awakened, and, are starting to fight back. If the left wants all out war...they will lose. Let them learn the hard way what America is all about.

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Was it not Nikita Khruschev who said something along the lines of "We do not have to invade the USoA ... We will destroy you from within"? The left is trying it's best to fulfill his 1950's prediction. The core of Americans are not near as dumb or ignorant and the elite left thinks or want us to believe. Thanks to the hatred of the crazies on the left, we have awakened, and, are starting to fight back. If the left wants all out war...they will lose. Let them learn the hard way what America is all about.

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Rita, the Tea Party movement was arguably a conservative response to Barry’s election to office.

However, one need only go back and look at those Tea Party rallies - to contrast the deranged Left Vagina Hat wearers with - conservative calls for lower taxes, less debt, smaller government and secure borders among other things.

VDH in the OP does a solid job of laying out the extensive and desperate means the Left has pursued - thus far - in opposition to the swamp outsider - Trump.

Weaponizing high level government agencies and offices (IRS, DOJ, FBI, FISA courts ...to just name a few) by an incumbent political party against the opposing party during a presidential election cycle is a whole new level of subversion IMHO.

Considering the extent of corruption that VDH sets forth above...is there really anything that the Left believes does not justify their ends? Rhetorical question.
Liberals....it's what you eat for breakfast......LOL....The "Left"......they are like the "Gnats" that are always hanging around your face, irritating but you still are able to swat and smash a few......
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THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT, ULTRA LIBERAL:

The FBI Counter-Intelligence chief SA Peter Strzok, Former FBI Director James Comey, Asst Dir. Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page are good reasons to REMOVE Law Enforcement & Police Power to detain & arrest, carry firearms, and bully , intimate suspects not accused of a crime.REMEMBER J EDGAR HOOVER founded that Bureau and it should be an INVESTIGATIVE UNIT ONLY. NO LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY AT ALL. Former Director Robert Muller & now The Special Consul for Russian Collusion should be investigated for his service as Asst AG in Boston while Whitey Bolger was The TOP CRIMINAL IN THE U S A. and went on the lam for 20 years even though he was on the FBI's most wanted list.ALL THE ABOVE NAMED SHOULD BE IN JAIL WITH Robert Hansen and Whitey Bolger.
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The last thing that the warrior wants is war, but if they pick a fight, the commies will lose.

And because..... well.... John Wayne:

Q: “HOW FAR?”


A: “ALL THE WAY!!”

—I now return you to your regularly scheduled rants—
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How far will the Left go...

“[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” the FBI lawyer, Lisa Page, with the FBI's Office of the General Counsel, texted to FBI SA Strzok.

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,” FBI SA Strzok responded.

Those texts were reportedly sent in August 2016 only a few months before the 2016 presidential election and AFTER the FBI had started its investigation into Trump campaign aides.

Even if you despise Trump - given the positions of these folks and their superiors - this exchange has got to make you cringe. This is not a political issue - this is an American issue. Who needs Russian collusion to affect an election when you have these well-positioned insiders, ready, willing and able.
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