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Old 03-29-2017, 12:11   #151
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That's being generous.

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Many of those pictured could use some PT.
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Old 03-29-2017, 17:37   #152
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That's being generous.
Well, most of those kids look like they exercise with a Xbox controller in one hand and a BigGulp in the other hand.

I really like the chick that had the AR with the long gun scope!
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Old 03-29-2017, 18:23   #153
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Some additional insight into why reasonable compromise now seems nearly impossible. Complete article at link.

THE CIVIL WAR IS HERE
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.
March 27, 2017 Daniel Greenfield
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A civil war has begun.

This civil war is very different than the last one. There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.

After losing Congress, the left consolidated its authority in the White House. After losing the White House, the left shifted its center of authority to Federal judges and unelected government officials. Each defeat led the radicalized Democrats to relocate from more democratic to less democratic institutions.

This isn’t just hypocrisy. That’s a common political sin. Hypocrites maneuver within the system. The left has no allegiance to the system. It accepts no laws other than those dictated by its ideology.

Democrats have become radicalized by the left. This doesn’t just mean that they pursue all sorts of bad policies. It means that their first and foremost allegiance is to an ideology, not the Constitution, not our country or our system of government. All of those are only to be used as vehicles for their ideology.

That’s why compromise has become impossible.

Our system of government was designed to allow different groups to negotiate their differences. But those differences were supposed to be based around finding shared interests. The most profound of these shared interests was that of a common country based around certain civilizational values. The left has replaced these Founding ideas with radically different notions and principles. It has rejected the primary importance of the country. As a result it shares little in the way of interests or values.

Instead it has retreated to cultural urban and suburban enclaves where it has centralized tremendous amounts of power while disregarding the interests and values of most of the country. If it considers them at all, it is convinced that they will shortly disappear to be replaced by compliant immigrants and college indoctrinated leftists who will form a permanent demographic majority for its agenda.

But it couldn’t wait that long because it is animated by the conviction that enforcing its ideas is urgent and inevitable. And so it turned what had been a hidden transition into an open break.

In the hidden transition, its authority figures had hijacked the law and every political office they held to pursue their ideological agenda. The left had used its vast cultural power to manufacture a consensus that was slowly transitioning the country from American values to its values and agendas. The right had proven largely impotent in the face of a program which corrupted and subverted from within.

The left was enormously successful in this regard. It was so successful that it lost all sense of proportion and decided to be open about its views and to launch a political power struggle after losing an election.

The Democrats were no longer being slowly injected with leftist ideology. Instead the left openly took over and demanded allegiance to open borders, identity politics and environmental fanaticism. The exodus of voters wiped out the Democrats across much of what the left deemed flyover country.

The left responded to democratic defeats by retreating deeper into undemocratic institutions, whether it was the bureaucracy or the corporate media, while doubling down on its political radicalism. It is now openly defying the outcome of a national election using a coalition of bureaucrats, corporations, unelected officials, celebrities and reporters that are based out of its cultural and political enclaves.

It has responded to a lost election by constructing sanctuary cities and states thereby turning a cultural and ideological secession into a legal secession. But while secessionists want to be left alone authoritarians want everyone to follow their laws. The left is an authoritarian movement that wants total compliance with its dictates with severe punishments for those who disobey.

The left describes its actions as principled. But more accurately they are ideological. Officials at various levels of government have rejected the authority of the President of the United States, of Congress and of the Constitution because those are at odds with their radical ideology. Judges have cloaked this rejection in law. Mayors and governors are not even pretending that their actions are lawful.

The choices of this civil war are painfully clear.

We can have a system of government based around the Constitution with democratically elected representatives. Or we can have one based on the ideological principles of the left in which all laws and processes, including elections and the Constitution, are fig leaves for enforcing social justice.

But we cannot have both.

Some civil wars happen when a political conflict can’t be resolved at the political level. The really bad ones happen when an irresolvable political conflict combines with an irresolvable cultural conflict.

That is what we have now.

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Old 03-29-2017, 18:28   #154
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Old 03-29-2017, 19:16   #155
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Or we can have one based on the ideological principles of the right in which all laws and processes, including elections and the Constitution, are fig leaves for enforcing social justice.
Hell, in mid-1864 these well-funded carpetbaggers would've been Republicans, able to suspend the Constitution, perform ethnic cleansing, confiscate property, and declare martial law in friendly states in order to jail political opponents. Frankly, only the color of the statist of the moment has changed. What goes around comes around sometimes...

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but this time it might be RH twist.
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Old 03-29-2017, 19:17   #156
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"It's too late to work within the system, and too early to start shooting the bastards." - Claire Wolfe
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Old 03-29-2017, 19:20   #157
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"It's too late to work within the system, and too early to start shooting the bastards." - Claire Wolfe
I think she said that in 1996 or so; gosh we've been accomodating.
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Old 04-03-2017, 14:06   #158
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Once again Tonyz is right on the mark. The new left really thinks that it is all going their way. Could be. But there are a lot of "Quiet Professionals" of all stripes, in all sorts of positions who keep their politics to themselves. A monkey wrench dropped in the gears at the right time will do more damage than 100 gun toting patriots. It's a new age, and the bunker and guns in the hills mentality is obsolete. Think "drone", and "cyber war". Unless there is a EMT killshot, US UW won't be settled with guns. Although the first phases will be. And as my earlier post this thread pointed out, revos are more about score settling than ideology.
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Old 04-03-2017, 18:32   #159
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The more the left gets their ass handed to them the more radical they will become. The divide is too great between Americans and the left's ideology for there to be a halfway meeting point.(I make a definite distinction between Americans and leftists as they are not for what this country was founded on!) Differences that draw this far apart can have no positive outcome other than a violent resolution.
The prelude to our first Civil War shows the same setup with only the issues being different. As the article stated, it's not about succession but a take over of the whole country.
At some point the line will be drawn. We Americans have a lot of patience, I don't think the left does though.
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Old 04-03-2017, 19:08   #160
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Shooter, agree with your post. I think it is way past the point of any reconciliation with the left. With Obamee, they were sure they had won. Hillary was supposed to ice the cake. Crush Middle America. Oh my, the backbone of America didn't go along. While they think they are undermining Trump with the temper tantrums, what they are really doing is awakening the slumbering working class, who have had enough. Soros paid punks are going to have a rude awakening if they keep it up.
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And as my earlier post this thread pointed out, revos are more about score settling than ideology.

Making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who is naughty and nice......
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Old 04-03-2017, 20:25   #162
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If you are serious, really am laughing out loud. if not, oh, well..
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Old 04-03-2017, 21:09   #163
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If you are serious, really am laughing out loud. if not, oh, well..
Lets call it a mental check list
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Old 05-02-2017, 17:10   #164
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Will the Second Civil War Turn Violent? Prager follows up his column

Prager follows up on his earlier column - which was the subject of the OP.

Will the Second Civil War Turn Violent?
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In a recent column, I made the case that Americans are fighting the Second Civil War. The deep chasm that has opened up between the left -- not liberals, the left -- and the rest of the country is so wide and so unbridgeable that there is no other way to describe what is happening. But I noted that at least thus far, unlike the First Civil War, this war is not violent.

Unfortunately, there is now reason to believe that violence is coming. In fact, it's already here. But as of now, it's only coming from one direction.

Left-wing thugs engage in violence and threats of violence with utter impunity. They shut down speakers at colleges; block highways, bridges and airport terminals; take over college buildings and offices; occupy state capitals; and terrorize individuals at their homes.

In order to understand why more violence may be coming, it is essential to understand that left-wing mobs are almost never stopped, arrested or punished. Colleges do nothing to stop them, and civil authorities do nothing to stop them on campuses or anywhere else. Police are reduced to spectators as they watch left-wing gangs loot stores, smash business and car windows, and even take over state capitals (as in Madison, Wisconsin).

It's beginning to dawn on many Americans that mayors, police chiefs and college presidents have no interest in stopping this violence. Left-wing officials sympathize with the lawbreakers, and the police, who rarely sympathize with thugs of any ideology, are ordered to do nothing by emasculated police chiefs.

Consequently, given the abdication by all these authorities of their role to protect the public, some members of the public will inevitably decide that they will protect themselves and others.

This ability of the left to get away with violence is one of the gravest threats to American society in its modern history. Since the Civil War, I can think of only two comparable eruptions of mob violence that authorities allowed. One was when white mobs lynched blacks. The other was the rioting by blacks, such as the Los Angeles riots 25 years ago, and the recent riots in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore, Maryland.

Today, authorities in what we once proudly proclaimed the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" are intimidated to the point of paralysis.

And exactly what do they fear? Not violence -- they have made peace with left-wing violence. What they fear is the left-wing media. If the Black Lives Matter movement is forcefully prevented from blocking tens of thousands of cars from entering or leaving San Francisco, the police and local authorities will be labeled racist by black leaders, a smear that will then be echoed by The New York Times and rest of the left-wing media.

Likewise, if a college president requests enough police to come to a college campus so that a Heather Mac Donald, a Charles Murray or an Ann Coulter can deliver a lecture, some of the student-gangsters engaged in violence might be injured -- and that college president will then be pilloried by the mainstream media.

Furthermore, left-wing violence doesn't only succeed where it takes place. It succeeds where nothing happens. The left can now shut down places and events just by threatening violence. This is what happened last week in Portland, Oregon. One leftist called in a threat to the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, saying that the Republican Party contingent marching in the parade would be beaten up. The business leaders organizing the parade canceled the whole event for the first time in its 10-year history. If they'd had any reason to believe that the police would have adequately protected the marchers in left-wing Portland, one assumes (hopes?) that they would not have canceled the parade.

An email sent to parade organizers perfectly summed up the left's dominance of America through violence. It said, "You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely."

Meanwhile, the press lies about alleged white supremacists in President Trump's administration and an alleged massive surge in anti-Semitism in order to do what the left has done since Lenin: blame others while it alone organizes violence.

So, here's a prediction: If college presidents, mayors and police chiefs won't stop left-wing mobs, other Americans will. I hope this doesn't happen, because electing conservative Republicans and not donating money to colleges will be more effective. But it is almost inevitable.

Then the left-wing media -- the mainstream media -- will enter hysteria mode with reports that "right-wing fascists" are violently attacking America.

And that's when mayors and college presidents will finally order in the police.

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Old 05-02-2017, 19:24   #165
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Your post are both enlightening and frightening. It's almost ludicrous to imagine they have come from protest marches in the 60's to controlling our democracy and way of life. I love spending my winters in the warm climate of Florida, but I like my chances in the Michigan northwoods when the s--t hits the fan.
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