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Old 01-31-2017, 09:25   #1
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America's Second Civil War

An interesting article given the left's reaction to the Trump presidency - California secession discussion, sanctuary city/state discussion, national security issues, border issues, trade policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, spending and nation debt/deficit policy, Europe's issues...etc., etc., interesting times...

America’s Second Civil War
Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017
Dennis Prager

It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents’ offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

Liberalism — which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism — is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don’t call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America’s Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech “hate speech.” To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism — there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America’s core values in contempt — supposed to unite with “educators” who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students “boys” and “girls” because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don’t require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, “white privilege” and “systemic racism”? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term “Islamic terrorist” is an expression of religious bigotry?

The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools — from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities — and indoctrinate America’s young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.

The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child’s teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes “slave owner” the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.

With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.

http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/

This column was originally posted on Townhall.com.
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:07   #2
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Bump!

I believe we are on the precipice of a major course correction. November is gonna decide which direction the country goes.
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:58   #3
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From the first post in this thread three years ago:

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This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents’ offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.
Guess fob Chaz or Chop is the formal start of phase two?
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Old 06-18-2020, 13:08   #4
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Some numbers just for shits and giggles...

Approx. US population 1861-1865 = 32,000,000

Approx. # of casualties during Civil War = 650,000 (deaths only - not including maiming, blind, brain damage, lost limbs, etc., etc.,)

= approx 2% of total population killed.

Fast forward...

Approx. US population 2020 = 331,000,000

Applying approximately the same percentage of death from Civil War to current population suggests approx. 6,723,437 deaths.

Almost 7 million dead...that should horrify all level-headed folks. The level of destruction from a protracted conflict would be disastrous.

As I’ve said before, we (the USA) are not somehow magically immune from these types of violent and tragic events.

Our political leaders must cool down the current divisive, identity politics, tribal grievance culture, environment fast - and fix this tinder-box (maybe even total war) bullshit we find ourselves in.

Yes. The violence has begun but at such a relatively low level intensity that there is time for cooler heads to prevail and to stem the bloodshed. But, as others point out...that window is closing pretty fast.

Concur with ODNT that this November election will be a crucial fork in the road event.
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That just means that President Trump's civil War would be even bigger than Abe Lincolns Civil War...
Yuge - the best civil war ever. It will be a beautiful war - people are gonna love it.


Meanwhile, I'm hearing rumors that most of the democrats in congress are taking some time off since Chief Justice Roberts is pushing most of their liberal agenda for them..........
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Well the MSM media sure has the cultural revolution well on its way...and nary a political leader (better yet, a bipartisan effort) rises to cool things down. Left to run this course...you’re right it’ll be YUGE !
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Approx. US population 1861-1865 = 32,000,000

Approx. # of casualties during Civil War = 650,000 (deaths only - not including maiming, blind, brain damage, lost limbs, etc., etc.,)

= approx 2% of total population killed.

Fast forward...

Approx. US population 2020 = 331,000,000

Applying approximately the same percentage of death from Civil War to current population suggests approx. 6,723,437 deaths.

Almost 7 million dead...that should horrify all level-headed folks. The level of destruction from a protracted conflict would be disastrous.

As I’ve said before, we (the USA) are not somehow magically immune from these types of violent and tragic events.

Our political leaders must cool down the current divisive, identity politics, tribal grievance culture, environment fast - and fix this tinder-box (maybe even total war) bullshit we find ourselves in.

Yes. The violence has begun but at such a relatively low level intensity that there is time for cooler heads to prevail and to stem the bloodshed. But, as others point out...that window is closing pretty fast.

Concur with ODNT that this November election will be a crucial fork in the road event.
Which radical leftist said in the 60's or 70's that 25 million needed to die? Can't find the quote, but I think it was one of the Black Panthers.

To the marxists, 7 million is just a bump in the road.
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F'ing people in this Country are insane and the Politician's are throwing gasoline on the fire. They need to be held accountable period; ruling like they are Kings and Queens while the serfs go shit crazy. Let's just erase hundreds of years of history because it's racist, not condemning rioters as they go amuck burning down cities and destroy businesses, erecting Autonomous Zones, oh it's okay to let thousands demonstrate but still insist "regular" people stay at home and quarantine, let's just sit on our thrones and control all the "little people". I don't think they quite understand that they could be ripe for a lynch mob if things boil over anymore. Bat shit crazy is all I have to say. Time for a few drinks; its Friday......
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Which radical leftist said in the 60's or 70's that 25 million needed to die? Can't find the quote, but I think it was one of the Black Panthers.

To the marxists, 7 million is just a bump in the road.
Actually I thought it was Obama's buddy Bill Ayers, from the Weathernen/SDS times maybe in collaboration with his equally murderous shrew Bernadine Dohrn. I could be wrong.
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Which radical leftist said in the 60's or 70's that 25 million needed to die? Can't find the quote, but I think it was one of the Black Panthers.

To the marxists, 7 million is just a bump in the road.
Here you go - it was reportedly Obama’s buddy. Oops, I see now that Badger beat me to it.

The communist’s do tend to leave a load of bodies in their wake.

"Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers."

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An interesting article given the left's reaction to the Trump presidency - California secession discussion, sanctuary city/state discussion, national security issues, border issues, trade policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, spending and nation debt/deficit policy, Europe's issues...etc., etc., interesting times...

America’s Second Civil War
Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017
Dennis Prager

It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents’ offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

Liberalism — which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism — is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don’t call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America’s Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech “hate speech.” To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism — there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America’s core values in contempt — supposed to unite with “educators” who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students “boys” and “girls” because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don’t require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, “white privilege” and “systemic racism”? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term “Islamic terrorist” is an expression of religious bigotry?

The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools — from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities — and indoctrinate America’s young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.

The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child’s teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes “slave owner” the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.

With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.

http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/

This column was originally posted on Townhall.com.
You know, it’s really worth reading this first post again because it’s been, well, four years since Prager wrote this piece and we are now at that cross road in history where the country turns left or right because there is no straight up the middle any more.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride!
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The OPFOR drives on

Hostile info opns continue.
GoDaddy boots ARFCOM.

Also, Gab is undergoing some severe issues with their Cloudflare access (you know, the folks that are supposed to PREVENT DDoS attacks).

Here's the blurb from ARF, and they're currently up at their backup:
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The left’s crushing of the safety valve of free speech will move the needle closer to the violence they “say” that they don’t want.

Crushing of dissent in China (now) is far, far different than the crushing of dissent in America, today.

The left are emboldened at the moment.
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Has there ever been in US history a time where the President was administered the oath of office in the situation room bunker?
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Has there ever been in US history a time where the President was administered the oath of office in the situation room bunker?
FDR's 4th inauguration on the South Portico of the White House.. No parade or festivities.

The underground structures were a Cold War construction effort so did not exist previously.

Then there was LBJ....
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