Question - Page 4

Snaquebite · 12-28-2006, 18:37

Sure did, and it didn't get any better for a long time...Teams were deploying on 6 month JCETs on MRE's ...I found out the teams were authorized T-rats & money for food off the economy and had them start ordering them...required an additional aircraft to deploy teams after that...Group was not happy.

CDRODA396 · 12-28-2006, 20:33

Wow, this is an old thread that got new life breathed into it!

When I was in the Q in '95, no one wanted 3rd because of the money thing, when I went through the Group CIF, I literally got a mesquito bar, period! Things didnt really turn around until COL McCrackin got the Group involved in ACRI which pushed some duckies the Group's way, and COL Jones had the foresight to get us dual apportioned with CENTCOM and since 9/11, things have gotten much better. But it goes to show that if you screw with Army money, like I understand Kinnsigner and Schroer did by trying to turn in money at the end of each FY, how long it takes to recover.

Z731 · 12-28-2006, 20:54

Wow!! I remember when 3rd GP came back on line and there was a huge morale problem. They used to take seperate rations away from guys that went to SOTIC and SOT at MOTT Lake. That was the story anyway. COL Kensinger was the scourge of SF at the time.

As far as the motto goes I will say they got some of the best. My Company SGM at the time was SGM XXXXXXXX. We knew the two pieces of sh@# we wanted to get rid of and send to 3rd Group. We thought for sure the SGM would see it our way. He didn't. He made every single E7 and below put their name in a hat and he drew two names out. Two outstanding troops names were pulled from that hat. We were dumbfounded that they had to pack their bags and leave. 3rd Group got two outstanding individuals.

It took me a few years to realize what SGM XXXXXXX did was a good thing.

3rd Group thrives now because we did send them great individuals when they got started. They are now a premier Special Forces Group.

Z

Capt_G · 12-29-2006, 07:19

I was in 2/3 from 90-96 and remember those t-shirts very well. The word on Kinsinger when he came to 3d Gp was that he was a spendthrift as a Bn Cdr in 5th and he was going places. Apparently both things were true. The difference in morale between 3d and 7th was night and day but a few years later when Parker took over 7th Gp I heard he instituted the same Sep Rats policy 3d had suffered under.

**The Reaper** · 12-29-2006, 08:35

Well, given those examples, treating guys like that and saving the government money whenever possible does not seem to have hurt too many careers now, does it?

Clearly, that style is rewarded.

TR

Capt_G · 12-29-2006, 10:42

Although it was before Kensinger came to 3d Gp I seem to recall losing my Sep Rats for SERE. Apparently they fed us while we were there.

x SF med · 12-29-2006, 10:47

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Although it was before Kensinger came to 3d Gp I seem to recall losing my Sep Rats for SERE. Apparently they fed us while we were there.

Sir- that is the best use of irony I've seen in a long time, LMMFAO.

HvyHog · 01-01-2007, 21:31

When 3/5 became 1/3, we did have a new motto. It was on the Gp coin but the Gp CSM didn't like it so it was changed. The first motto after being reactivated was "hard times call for hard men". It was then changed to "the quiet profossionals". A few CSMs later, it was changed to the current motto. As for being dual task to CENTCOM and EUCOM, 3rd has always be tasked to both. And the only thing COL Jones did for 3rd Gp was to disband the pilot teams because we would never do a UW mission again. Great vision!!!! If you cant tell, I am not a fan of COL Jones.

MtnGoat · 01-02-2007, 04:39

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Although it was before Kensinger came to 3d Gp I seem to recall losing my Sep Rats for SERE. Apparently they fed us while we were there.

Now this is funny.. its road kill isn't it??

Food haHa

Capt_G · 01-02-2007, 06:24

I am a pretty big fan of Mike Jones. He got me out of a speeding ticket in Haiti. Long story but it involved my driver and me leaving a coating of dust all over the 25th ID CSM and ADC-M on our way to Camp D'App.
Funny that he was anti-UW, because when he was my Bn CO Col Mark Boyatt was Gp CO. Boyatt was Mr UW.

kachingchingpow · 01-04-2007, 07:38

RE: 3/3 "Hard times don't last, but hard men do" sounds like something Viagra might run during the Superbowl half time commercials.

Capt_G · 01-04-2007, 07:56

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RE: 3/3 "Hard times don't last, but hard men do" sounds like something Viagra might run during the Superbowl half time commercials.

I think most of us know at least one former 3d Grouper who that doesn't apply to...Dave Schroer.

GreenSalsa · 01-04-2007, 14:11

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I think most of us know at least one former 3d Grouper who that doesn't apply to...Dave Schroer.

UGH!!!!

As far as the "spendthrift" ways of 3rd SFG goes, my team had a JTF6 mission (paid for by JTF6) at Brownsville TX during spring break. My BN XO wanted us to use MREs because he thought he could save taxpayers money with us eating them in hotel rooms instead of per diem.

It took all of my powers (and math) to convince him that packaging, purchasing, shipping, storing, and inspecting MRE was more expensive than the $32 a day per diem. I won by showing him it was more cost effective to the US taxpayer (saving $1.25 per day) for us to be "given" per diem by another command.

He is the same officer that turned down the DOS offer to pay us per diem for Operation Focus Relief missions in Africa ("my men are Green Berets, they don't want money").

Capt_G · 01-05-2007, 22:17

I just love it when officers (and yes I became an Officer, but not one of this ilk) make sweeping statements about money on behalf of enlisted men. Its usually to the tune of, "We don't do this for money". Generally the higher the rank, the more often you hear it. I used to counter with, "No we don't, but it sure as hell helps".

Z731 · 01-05-2007, 23:51

I am a 7th Group guy who thinks 3rd has their stuff straight. They train like animals and have some problems. I know 7th Group does the same and something tells me the other groups aren't sitting on their butts.

They went through some incredible growing pains but look at their incredible success and their equally incredible sacrifices.

They have lost great men in combat,

Z