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Old 04-20-2004, 20:06   #16
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Looks like a LAW Warhead.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winnah!! Good eye, ktek!

Now why is it a nasty item for UXO disposal?

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Old 04-20-2004, 20:10   #17
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First guess (I may have several):

Willy-Peter round from 60MM mortar
Not even close. 60mm WP round has a longer body with a more cylindrical shape and is usually painted light green. Dark Green with Yellow markings is almost always an HE item.

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Old 04-20-2004, 20:16   #18
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winnah!! Good eye, ktek!

Now why is it a nasty item for UXO disposal?

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Is it because it is a HEAT round, and could go flying some distance if blown in place? Or is the impact fuse that sensitive?
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Old 04-20-2004, 20:22   #19
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Is it because it is a HEAT round, and could go flying some distance if blown in place? Or is the impact fuse that sensitive?
Quit fishing and deliver the rest of your answer.

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Old 04-20-2004, 20:40   #20
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Quit fishing and deliver the rest of your answer.

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LOL, if I knew for sure I wouldnt be fishing. I was just a regular Leg, no demo expert, and that lecture in basic on the LAW fuse was 19 years ago.
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:54   #21
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Once again, just a civ, but doesn't a HEAT round generate a jet of plasma in the direction it is pointed when it goes off?
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:12   #22
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That is correct about the "Jet of Plasma", but more importantly, How does it work?? That is, what sets it off, how, when, and what other precautions need to be taken when this type of Dudd is encountered ??

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Old 04-21-2004, 12:17   #23
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winnah!! Good eye, ktek!

Now why is it a nasty item for UXO disposal?

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Rocket. The rocket is a percussion-ignited, fin-stabilized, fixed munition. It is attached by the igniter to the inside of the launcher. The rocket consists of a 66-mm HEAT warhead, a point-initiating, base-detonating fuze, and a rocket motor. Six spring-loaded fins are attached to the rear of the rocket motor. These fins are folded forward along the motor when the rocket is in the launcher. When ignited, the propellant in the rocket motor burns completely, producing gasses about 1,400F(760C). The gas pressure pushes the rocket toward the target and exits to the rear of the launcher as the backblast.

-Caliber .................. 66 mm
-Length ................... 50.8 cm (20 inches)
-Weight.................... 1.8 kg (2.2 pounds)
-Muzzle Velocity........... 144.8 mps (475 fps)
-Minimum Range (Combat).... 10 meters (33 feet)
"-Minimum Arming Range...... 10 meters (33 feet)"
-Maximum Range............. 1,000 meters (3,300 feet)
Maximum Effective Ranges
-Stationary Target ...... 200 meters (660 feet)
-Moving Target........... 165 meters (541 feet)

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Old 04-21-2004, 13:10   #24
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That is correct about the "Jet of Plasma", but more importantly, How does it work?? That is, what sets it off, how, when, and what other precautions need to be taken when this type of Dudd is encountered ??

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Bingo.

What sort of fuse does it have?

FYI, a HEAT round should be less dangerous to the surrounding area than a conventional HE round, so the charge or its configuration is not the issue.

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Old 04-21-2004, 13:27   #25
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I believe it has a base-detonating fuze located in the rocket's closure section.

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Old 04-21-2004, 13:42   #26
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Once again, Pure civilian speculation, but if what Solid says is true, and the fuse is supposed to be in the tail section, that would mean that the fuse is probably damaged. Making it unpredictable at best.
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Old 04-21-2004, 13:49   #27
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What Solid mentioned is the wrong part of the fuze data.

I asked about the fuze, not the detonator.

Damage to the tail is irrelevant.

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Old 04-21-2004, 13:59   #28
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Percussion?

and it is teeter-tottered nose toward the ground being somewhat significant?
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Old 04-21-2004, 14:17   #29
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Percussion?

and it is teeter-tottered nose toward the ground being somewhat significant?
No.

No.

I take it that we are about at the end here, and I have defeated the knowledge base of this august body of budding demolition experts?

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Old 04-21-2004, 14:33   #30
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How it works...

Upon impact, the nose cone crushes; the impact sensor activates the fuze. The ogive crush switch activates the electric detonator. The booster detonates, initiating the main charge.

Not exactly sure why this makes it so tricky for the EOD guys?
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