George Soros's Plan B If Biden Loses

[Paslode]

It's amazing how much money and resources Spooky Dude throws at changing the world and playing God. It's even more amazing he hasn't received a 'gift' from above like General Soleimani.

From Townhall:

So what to do? First, cast your vote wisely on November 3. Pray diligently for God's mercy. And stand with elected leaders and police if and when they face Soros-inspired efforts to "mobilize civil society" to oust a duly-elected President Trump.

https://townhall.com/columnists/fran...loses-n2579176

[Sohei]

Only in America can one openly act "treasonous" with impunity.

[Penn]

A read, well worth your time.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...A9/core-reader

[Paslode]

Very informative! Kinda spooky! Thanks Penn.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Paslode

It's amazing how much money and resources Spooky Dude throws at changing the world and playing God. It's even more amazing he hasn't received a 'gift' from above like General Soleimani.

From Townhall:



https://townhall.com/columnists/fran...loses-n2579176

I would push back a bit, not on Soros, but on the description and mission execution of OTPOR.

Strictly non violent and non kinetic, much like an evolved analog to CIA backed Solidarity, indigenous and organic to Poland.

OTPOR directly led to CANVAS: https://canvasopedia.org/about-us/

CANVAS weekly email update is worth reading.

Same Serbian OTPOR founders teaching a course on it at Harvard’s JFK School.

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/about/srdja-popovic

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/de...M_Brochure.pdf

Disclosure: I took the course a number of years ago and definitely buy non-violence as a higher probability/durability option for many(but not all) organic/indigenous resistance movements.

“Laughtivism” was a particular innovation used by the Serbian OTPOR to get around Milosevic’s secret police.

We’re certainly seeing attempts at that on both sides recently.

Perhaps Soros funded them, rumour also was CIA may have, I have no idea.

What I do know is that OTPOR wasn’t as described in Serbia as per the article, and Soros will never create a legitimate resistance movement in the US or elsewhere.

Fund existing ones?

Certainly.

But external actors creating them from nothing almost always leads to failure.

If I had to guess, I’d say the organised efforts in the US have far more in common with the Arab Spring, particularly in Libya.

The core protestors and their tech savvy advisors building digital protest networks (including numerous local ethnic US resident big tech employees) had no experience in running effective street mobs, so they mashed themselves up with soccer hooligans as their street muscle.

Akin to tech savvy leaders building digital networks to connect, influence, and deploy protestors seeded with ANTIFA/Black Bloc street mobs.

Soros’ money can certainly catalyze things, but can it actually create capacity and capability?

I’m thinking no.

I’ve always thought of Soros as a money man, rather than the boogeyman.

Yup. The finance guy in an insurgent network is always pretty high priority in the target deck, for good reason. Passion alone doesn’t put food in your belly.

But from a distance, the rising focus on Soros reminds me of the sad excuses made over the years across Africa blaming the Rhodesians and South Africans or Arabs blaming Mossad for everything.

If Soros, his sons, and his money disappeared tomorrow its not going to fundamentally change things.

If it would, or more like if we believe it would, what does that say about fragility and lack of basic resilience?

To me, it’s a repeat of 2016 election foreign influence.

Of course they tried, like we do.

The question we should ask is: IF foreign influence attempts were successful(under $1 million proven spent I believe?), what does that say about fragility and resilience.

Does that mean as a society we are more akin to dangerously dry and unkempt California scrub or a well managed lush rain forest that can’t burn?

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Flagg

Does that mean as a society we are more akin to dangerously dry and unkempt California scrub or a well managed lush rain forest that can’t burn?

Appreciate the whole post. In your view, do you think it's possible that both conditions can exist within a country given the disparate characteristics between what are often called "elite coasts" (containing huge cities & numbers of electoral votes) and other large areas of the land mass?

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Appreciate the whole post. In your view, do you think it's possible that both conditions can exist within a country given the disparate characteristics between what are often called "elite coasts" (containing huge cities & numbers of electoral votes) and other large areas of the land mass?

Absolutely!

Especially in the United States.

I guess that’s both the superpower and curse of the US Republic that few people outside of it(and many inside of it) can’t or won’t comprehend.

The US Republic is like 50 closely aligned nations but with great latitude to compete/experiment/innovate at the local/state level under a shared federal Constitutional umbrella.

Diversity at the macro state level balancing the sovereignty of humanity(House of Representatives) with geography(Senate)

Places like San Francisco and New York have outsized power and influence due to their innovation/value creation and banking/finance sectors, respectively.

“Flyover country” has quite understated outsized power with their massive food & energy production per capita.

You can’t eat innovation or numbers on a screen or fill your car with it.

You can’t grow food or pump energy without innovation or finance.

The US is facing deep existential issues, but only a moron would bet against the US long-term.

I reckon the coastal elites and the folks in flyover country need to understand they are engaged in a form of mutual assured destruction and they are better off together than apart.

[tom kelly]

Is George Soros the "NEW" Howard Hughes ? Has anybody seen George, outside of his NY compound ? How old is George now, my guess is mid-90's also is he still in control of his money ? or does someone other than the Soros family...run the show?

[Box]

Whore-Hay Sore-Ohs and the fate of the republic…

The biggest threat to America is Americans. Soros, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, – all just names made famous by Americans with short memories. We cant blame them – they are only pandering to a society that feeds their appetite for power the way an elementary school kid feeds those shit-slinging monkeys at the local zoo. Power that we the people give them freely and with little consequence.


-That’s not to say that Chuck Schumer isn’t a mountain of a man – he stands as tall as an oak tree
…a 5 foot 9 inch tall Oak Tree.

-I’m not saying that Joe Biden is crazy - he has managed to spend 47 years in the swamp not because he is crazy but because he has a mind like a steel trap - a steel trap that has rusted shut after sitting in a swamp for 47 years.

What I am saying is that every election cycle, Americans try harder and harder to personify the old adage about people deserving the government they get and I don’t understand why. Maybe it is because they are mesmerized by Nancy Pelosi and her deep, throaty, genuine laugh, the kind of laugh that mimics the sound a dog makes just before it throws up – who knows.

Just don’t blame Nancy – she only wants to maintain her standard of living. A standard of living that her taxpaying constituents have grown accustomed to providing for her after decades of sharing the fruits of her labor.

George Soros loves freedom with all his heart – sort of like if his heart was a mob informant, and liberty was the East River. Everyone in the world knows it – yet everyone in the world still just adores the way he pays for their souls in cash and all they need to do is start a few structure fires in their own neighborhoods.

Week after week we watch these fucking crime lords crash economies, swindle the masses, betray the public trust, and literally disrespect us to our faces and we just keep going back for more. Sure, I know that we the people are unable to accept that we’re actually being abused but it’s just as much our fault for electing them to office in the first place. After all, AOC even admitted that reason there was so much corruption in politics is because we don’t pay them enough.

It’s our fault.

We don’t appreciate the love-bombing and grand romantic gestures that are part of our bizarre affair with career politicians – we should, but we just don’t appreciate everything they do for us. When our politicians come home smelling like a three Martini lunch with lipstick stains on their collar from working late with that two bit lobbyist we get all indignant and pissy because of their behavior instead of thanking them for the COVID check that they gave us. We don’t even realize how important it is for us to commit to them early and vote before election day…
…before the media is forced to report the truth.

I know that Joe feels guilty for what he did to Tara Reade – but he's sorry and he’ll never do it again. I know he said integrated schools would be a jungle and that minorities could be as smart as white kids – but he didn’t mean it. Besides, he is on his best behavior right now – it’s almost like a honeymoon with him and his voters. Forget the last 47 years…
…THINGS.ARE.GOING.TO.BE.DIFFERENT.THIS.TIME

Haters will try to swear that society’s fascination with democratic politicians and their policies resembles battered woman syndrome – but that’s crazy talk. Society isn’t “trapped” by liberal policies…
-we aren’t becoming increasingly financially dependent on the government
-our financial problems haven’t been manufactured by the left

We just need to all get along - for the children’s sake. I know many people threaten to leave the country but when you pay attention, they are just afraid to leave. Liberals in government aren’t actually abusing the public trust, we are just being stingy because we are blinded by systemic racism. I know that people are depressed but that’s not the fault of government shutting down society – it’s just a byproduct of our own self-esteem – its something “we the people" need to work on to improve our OWN lifestyle.
-the liberals love us and if we just do as we are told, things will change!

I know that the last four years of political bickering has damaged our relationships with friends and family, caused severe anxiety for people on both sides of the aisle, created an national feeling of hopelessness, and implanted that sad realization that we have no control over what happens next - but its all our fault.

It isn’t the fault of people like Soros, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer – it’s the fault of the American people for empowering them.

[Old Dog New Trick]

As Mike T said...

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face!”


As I just told my 13y/o son not to panic about what comes after the election. Regardless of who wins the radical left will not be happy or content. The good news is more Americans have seen what’s behind doors number 1...2...and 3 than ever before. Trump pulled the curtains back.

If Trump wins there will be violence from BLM/Antifa against our liberal cities. And some of that will spill over into suburbia to the point where they will get “punched in the face!” After awhile they will get tired of getting punched in the face and return to the basements where they will go back to playing Call of Duty and drinking out of a sippy cup.

If Biden wins, we will patiently wait until the 2024 election and resist the changes the progressive left attempted under the Obama/Biden. It might not even take but 2-years for the bastards to get voted out of office at the local level and the congress.

The Republic is not dead until the patriots give up.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by tom kelly

Is George Soros the "NEW" Howard Hughes ? Has anybody seen George, outside of his NY compound ? How old is George now, my guess is mid-90's also is he still in control of his money ? or does someone other than the Soros family...run the show?

I think it's still him and his sons holding the reigns.

I do think there's a growing need to develop strategy and doctrine around how to counter non-state actors who are using non-kinetic means to undermine western institutions(basically, what the good guys did to the Soviets/Warsaw Pact in Poland being used against us).

If Soros(or some similar oligarch) was actually funding violent overthrow it would be pretty straight forward to reduce that threat based on the last two decades of experience.

It's the non-kinetic UW part that makes it all a tougher nut to crack.

A small well resourced DOJ/SEC/IRS/OGA task force exclusively targeting oligarchs who interfere with and undermine US sovereignty could disrupt someone like Soros, and others of his ilk.

It would also be a signal to US oligarchs and those with considerable social influence/control to perhaps voluntarily take a position like those in the US military of being politically active, but not using their credibility/position for political folly.

Putin would throw them in jail and/or serve them polonium tea.

I'd think ruthlessly kicking them in their bank accounts and putting them on permanent defence would be a culturally/legally acceptable option.

[Box]

Originally Posted by Flagg

A small well resourced DOJ/SEC/IRS/OGA task force exclusively targeting oligarchs who interfere with and undermine US sovereignty could disrupt someone like Soros, and others of his ilk.

Just out of curiosity - which of the US oligarchs would be responsible for making sure that such a task force was targeting the "correct" oligarchs ??
American oligarchs are far worse than Putin on his worst day - primarily because American oligarchs "dont exist" - we know because the media has told us repeatedly that they don't exist.

I wouldn't trust a DOJ/SEC/IRS/OGA task force to make sure that an elementary school kid was doing his chores. Not them, not the FBI, USPS, DOE, DOD, DHS, ATF, NSA, TSA, or even the BSA for that matter because with every single one of them its the innocent people that are going to end up getting fucked.



Besides, haven't you been paying attention to the news - there is no deep state in the USA.

[tonyz]

Plan B is baked into their DNA...the long march through institutions will continue no matter the election outcome...

Commies for Biden
J. Michael Waller
American Greatness
11/01/2020


Why old American Communist warhorses like Angela Davis and Bob Avakian are urging a vote for the establishment Democrat: “He is far more likely to take mass demands seriously.”

Far from being “spontaneous” or “mythical,” today’s militant political violence is not only organized, it even has user manuals. In destroying statues and other symbols of American history, the new violent extremist movement cultivates its own history:Indoctrinate people without them realizing it, gradually and slowly, by infiltrating their cultural institutions. Italian Communist Party founder Antonio Gramsci laid it out in his Prison Notebooks to battle what he called the “cultural hegemony” of religion, politics, business, and folklore of Western civilization. Gramsci pioneered a “counter hegemony” to develop alternative values for all of society, including an alternative religion. Inculcating this alternative hegemony throughout society to change values over time, he argued, was necessary to create a social support base for violent revolution.

It’s all about replacing a society’s belief system.

“Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity,” Gramsci wrote. “In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches, and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.”

Gramsci and others called for a warrior intellectual who didn’t just think radical thoughts. “Unless an intellectual has really participated in armed struggle, with the risks and danger which this entails, all his answers” to revolution “could easily become a pretentious intellectual comedy,” wrote Regis Debray, the French Communist who stressed culture as a tool of revolution. Debray lived it out, working with Che Guevara’s violent revolution in Bolivia and Chile’s Salvador Allende in revolution-through-political-infiltration. His critical analysis Revolution In the Revolution? became a guidebook for violent extremists in Latin America, later borrowed by American radicals.

Debray laid out what we see with Black Lives Matter and Antifa today—and with their supporters deep inside the Biden camp: “Armed self-defense” (aggressive defense using shields, barricades, helmets, and weapons), “armed propaganda,” “the guerrilla base,” and a merger of “the Party and the guerrilla.”

Debray devoted considerable attention to what he called “armed propaganda”—what others call “propaganda of the deed”—in which direct action, vandalism, destruction of national symbols, assassination, and other violence are valuable for their own propaganda purposes. Bolsheviks such as Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky deplored armed propaganda as a counterproductive anarchist trick that needlessly provoked authorities into repressing the movement. But others, including 1960s-era extremists in the Black Panther Party and the Weather Underground, viewed armed propaganda as a strategic asset purposefully to provoke police overreaction for all the world to see in the press and on television.

A New Generation of Radicals

For BLM and Antifa, armed propaganda produces precisely the overreaction they think justifies their causes and broadens their public support as heroic victims.

Debray went on to become a French government official. Today, now-elderly surviving Black Panther and Weather Underground figures like Angela Davis and Bill Ayers have become the revolutionary intellectuals and organizers of the Gramsci and Debray models.

Street-fighters such as Davis—who served prison time for buying the sawed-off shotgun to murder a California judge—went on to study under Marxist intellectuals like Herbert Marcuse, the most famous of the Frankfurt School of critical theory and considered the father of the New Left. Davis then studied at Marcuse’s alma mater, Humboldt University, in what was then Soviet-occupied East Berlin, where she received her Ph.D. after the Kremlin presented her with the Lenin Peace Prize in 1979. She joined the KGB-controlled Communist Party USA to run twice for vice president of the United States. From her perch as a professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz, Davis built an intellectual movement to defund police, shut down prisons, and support the murders of police officers. She personifies the Gramsci-Debray-Marcuse-Soviet hybrid American revolutionary.

Davis and others—including Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.)—were participants in, and perhaps agents of, controlled international Soviet front organizations. (I saw Lee in action myself when she was a staffer for Ron Dellums, a long-serving Democratic congressman from California, operating on the World Peace Council, a Soviet front I had infiltrated in 1986. Lee now holds Dellums’ seat in Congress.)

“The Communist fronts have an organizational base and cadres trained in schools of political warfare, with which they aim to confuse opinion in the non-Communist world and weaken the will of the democracies to resist,” as James Atkinson, an analyst of Communist fronts, had written two decades earlier in The Politics of Struggle: The Communist Front and Political Warfare. The controlled fronts, under KGB direction, assessed, recruited, and trained an international cadre. They built a controlled international core of political warriors whose networks outlasted the Soviet collapse and remain with us today.

These networks took decades to build, and young Molotov cocktail-throwing radicals who had promise but no strategic vision or discipline, some feared, would burn themselves out and waste their potential.

“They have no illusions about the system,” Saul Alinsky said of them wistfully in his prologue to Rules for Radicals, “but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world. It is to this last point that I have written this book.”

The young people for whom Alinsky wrote in 1971 were the New Left: Students for a Democratic Society, Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, and so forth. Alinsky wrote it for those riding on the extremist coattails, for students like the ambitious Hillary Rodham, who studied Alinsky so closely that she corresponded with him and wrote a paper at Wellesley about his work.

Alinsky provided that discipline. He was already famous for his Gramscian foundational work, Reveille for Radicals, which appeared before the future first lady, secretary of state, and Democratic presidential nominee was even born. That was Alinsky’s community-organizing manual, complete with organizational and conflict tactics, the role of “popular education,” and observations on the psychology of mass organizations and how to manipulate them.

“Few of us survived the Joe McCarthy holocaust of the early 1950s,” Alinsky wrote. Rules for Radicals was intended to help the next generation not only to survive, but to succeed.

It was that mass organizational work that infiltrated the George McGovern campaign against the Democratic Party establishment in 1972 where militants gained mainstream party political credentials. From that network, much later, seasoned Weather Underground communists like Bill Ayers mentored promising young community organizers in his Chicago living room. People like Chicago’s Barack Obama.

The Best Candidate to be Manipulated

As Bolshevik Leon Trotsky learned back in his time, it was fruitless and fatal to try to overthrow “the system” by deadly force without the right social and political preconditions. In the 1930s Trotsky developed a theory to drill or bore into the existing sociopolitical order, a concept translated into English as “boring from within.” Hardline Communists would dump their formal organizations and bore into the socialist and other legal leftist movements. Later revolutionists would rename this tactic “entryism,” or what 1960s Gramscian Communist and Frankfurt School devotee Rudi Dutschke called, borrowing from Mao, “the long march through the institutions.”

So it’s no surprise to see Communist support for Obama’s old running mate and vice president.

Angela Davis explains why. She ran twice for vice president under the Communist Party USA ticket. But 2020 is no time for numerically marginal parties to run protest candidates against Trump. This year, as Davis said, is the time for Communists to hold their noses and back Biden.

“I don’t see this election as being about choosing a candidate who will be able to lead us in the right direction,” Davis told Russia’s RT propaganda channel in June. “It will be about choosing a candidate who can be most effectively pressured into allowing more space for the evolving anti-racist [BLM/Antifa] movement.”

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[tonyz]

Continued from above.

“Biden is very problematic in many ways,” Davis continued, because he took a hard line to imprison African Americans and is part of the enemy establishment. “But—I say but—Biden is far more likely to take mass demands seriously,” Davis stressed. “Far more likely than the current occupant of the White House. So that this coming November the election will ask us not so much to vote for the best candidate, but to vote for or against ourselves, and to vote for ourselves, I think, means that we will have to campaign for a vote for Biden.”

This is a 21st century call from a Communist agent using a Kremlin mouthpiece to encourage loyal cadres to infiltrate a mainstream presidential candidate and use his presidency as a Trojan horse.

It didn’t stop there. Bob Avakian, head of the Revolutionary Communist Party, announced that he wasn’t running a protest candidate either in 2020. The stakes for “revolution” are too high, he said in a long August 1 manifesto, so he threw his small but well-organized street network behind voting for Joe Biden: “To be clear, this means not a ‘protest vote’ for some candidate who has no chance of winning, but actually voting for the Democratic Party candidate, Biden, in order to effectively vote against Trump.”

All Communists must hold their noses and vote for Biden, Avakian said, “while continuing to build sustained mass mobilization against this regime and everything it represents and concentrates, and being prepared to carry forward this mass mobilization if Trump loses the election but refuses to leave.” (Emphasis in original.)

This is right out of the Democrats’ own action plan over the summer to use the mobs and other means to oust Trump if the election is inconclusive. Everyone against them is a dictator. A “fascist.”

“Violence,” wrote Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, who, like Angela Davis, spent a career in academia, “represents a small though vital sliver of anti-fascist activity.”

As if borrowing from Gramsci for the digital age, Bray explains, Antifa researches its targets “online, in person, and sometimes through infiltration; they dox them, push cultural milieux to disown them, pressure bosses to fire them, and demand that venues cancel their shows, conferences, and meetings; they organize educational events, reading groups, trainings, athletic tournaments, and fundraisers; they write articles, leaflets, and newspapers, drop banners, and make videos . . . .”

This is, in a nutshell, makes up the only lively part of the Biden-Harris campaign. Boring from within.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/01/commies-for-biden/

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Box

Just out of curiosity - which of the US oligarchs would be responsible for making sure that such a task force was targeting the "correct" oligarchs ??
American oligarchs are far worse than Putin on his worst day - primarily because American oligarchs "dont exist" - we know because the media has told us repeatedly that they don't exist.

I wouldn't trust a DOJ/SEC/IRS/OGA task force to make sure that an elementary school kid was doing his chores. Not them, not the FBI, USPS, DOE, DOD, DHS, ATF, NSA, TSA, or even the BSA for that matter because with every single one of them its the innocent people that are going to end up getting fucked.



Besides, haven't you been paying attention to the news - there is no deep state in the USA.

Well, I think it assumes we can slap together enough represenatives from functional organs of government who will energetically and lawfully meet the enemies of the US to deter or destroy them.

I used to work for a US oligarch, Jeff Bezos, back in the 90's. The guy has led one of the greatest job, innovation, and wealth creation entities the world has ever seen and is leveraging it to extend US based dominance into space.

I know he's been on the wrong side of the President, but no one on any side is perfect. I found him to be a good American. Although I'm concerned about Amazon's behaviour towards its small business customers lately.

However, I'm mixed on whether his company(my former employer) Amazon needs to be kneecapped via anti-trust efforts or leveraged for deployment against China in our 30+ year undeclared unconventional war against them.

Much like the liberal coastal elites(money & tech) and flyover country(food and energy) need to make a new alliance against shared foes, so do government and oligarch owned business.

I don't know what the answer is, but the RV location for a shared common cause will be found in opposition to China.