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Old 11-04-2004, 21:03   #1
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We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
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Old 11-04-2004, 21:44   #2
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We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
I 2nd that motion.
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Old 11-04-2004, 21:52   #3
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I 2nd that motion.

In order to prevent the hijack in progress, maybe you should start a new thread titled "101 Bad Things to do with Powdered CS Tear Gas".


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Old 11-10-2004, 07:27   #4
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Old 11-14-2004, 23:35   #5
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Well if this the place I have a couple of CS stories. I loved the stuff. You could always tell when the dogs got it up the nose - went ballistic and I smiled

One problem with it was how fine the powder was. I usually carried a canteen full of it with a C4 and a short time fuze taped to the back. But I punched a small hole in the top and taped it over with layers of black tape. This was for pouring it out on the trail for the aforementioned dogs.

One mission I was setting on the pad and the Kingbees were doing something so we weren't loading right away but the rotors were turning. Just about the time we get into the choppers everyone came down with the running nose and red eyes. Somehow the vacuum sucked that stuff right through about 4 layers of black tape and was gassing us and the crews... none of which was humored at the time.

Changed methodolgy later to small insect repellent bottle for dogs and canteen tightly sealed (no holes) for the boom version...
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Old 11-15-2004, 07:45   #6
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Thumbs down

Folks: I hate to be a wet rag, but this subject falls right into the crux of the allegations against us in "The Tailwind" controversy. It is best droped, at least on an open forum.
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Old 11-15-2004, 09:57   #7
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I thought the Tailwind controversy was more about using nerve gas and actively hunting down traitors.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:19   #8
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I thought the Tailwind controversy was more about using nerve gas and actively hunting down traitors.
I think you will find it broader than that. To some, a chemical agent is a chemical agent with no differentiation between agents. Among other things we were accused of contaminating water and food supplies with chemical agents. Personally I just don't think this is a bone we want to dig up. I have lots of stories which I'll take to the grave.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:47   #9
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OK. I went back and reviewed the actual allegations and will stand corrected. Soooo.....

1. We had CS in grenade form, similar to smoke grenades. I placed one in front of a claymore and it spread the CS when detonated. a great means of breaking contact. I did the same thing when initiating ambushes, as well as another claymore with a WP grenade in front of the claymore. The combination of the claymores, CS and WP along with heavy auto fire made for a quick violent ambush and afforded us a good chance of breaking contact.

2. At Khe Sahn we had CS cannister launchers in a line behind the claymores. Each unit could fire a salvo of 20 cannisters.

3. I never ran across pooches but was also prepared for that. Actually we were a little more primitive than BKK and used black and red pepper.
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Old 11-15-2004, 21:20   #10
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We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
OK, after this thing got started and has deviated a bit, I find that I am left with a decision !!! CS or Napalm....CS or Napalm....CS or Napalm ?!?!?!

Ok, CS First !! (The creation of the "Porcupine" !!)

After very carefully drilling a hole in the standoff cone of a B-40 round, we then had to figure a way to get the CS Powder into it. We took the "drilled" rounds out to the bunker line and proceeded to fill them with CS powder, through a paper, homemade, funnel while wearing our "Mini-Masks". After the fill was completed, we taped the holes with Black "Electrical" tape and brought them back into the Team Room. The 4 Team building, housing a max of 12-16 Americans emptied !!! I, now with mask removed, but quite de-sensitised to the CS, didn't understand what all of the commotion was about. We ended up taking all of the rounds to the showers and giving them a bath !!! I then proceeded to turn them into Porcupines.

These things were bad. VERY BAD !!

Next, NAPE in the Air !!!

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Old 11-15-2004, 21:56   #11
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Thanks AM.
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Old 11-15-2004, 22:03   #12
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Now, the Nape !! (Shall return to the CS shortly !!)

Jellied Petrol !!

After the success of the Porcupine, I latched onto the idea of a diabotical device that was based on something that we had received into our "weapons-options" mix !! We got a batch of "Quad-Laws" that were termed "Multiple-Flame Launchers". What these were, was an experimental 4 tube, expendable, Rocket Launcher, that was loaded with 4 Rockets that had an incindiary warhead instead of the AT !!! Picture a LAW on Steroids !! It was HUGE, boxy and a real pain in the ass to deploy.

I took this as a challenge. I looked at our existing inventory and decided to expand the capabilities of our most unique "Mortar" !! (Those that have read the 60mm Aw Shit in here will relate !!) I started with a 60mm Illumination round and succeeded in dismantling several. I then re-assembled them but instead of the flare and parachute, I put Foo-Gas, and added a little extra to the kicker/ignition charge that launched the flare.

I rigged up several and we went to the range. The first round that I launched, the rest of the team was AGAIN about 50 meters to the rear, went off in a quite spectacular fashion. When I hung it in the tube I did register that I smelled gasoline. I did not however think through the consequences of launching said round. When that thing went out, I was engulfed in, what I was told many many times over, a HUGE ORANGE FIREBALL !!!

I was left with quite a "sunburn", veeery little Eyebrows/ (no) eyelashes, and a very singed moustache !!!!

Once again, all of the Yards, rolling in the dirt, and crying NUMBA F****** ONE, DO IT AGAIN !!!

We did deploy this 60mm variant, after much improvement, and used it operationally to set fire to our backtrail. It worked better than WP !!!

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Let's see, back to the CS !!! Next, Cycalos and the "White Mice !!!"
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:19   #13
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I just got Plaster's book the Pictorial History of SOG. After seeing the picture of what you call an RT (looked more like a MF formation to me) and reading of your attempts at building weapons of mass ( self) destruction. Two things become clear to me.
1. You are one dangerous >>>
2. When you heard recon - you thought they said recon by fire (the fire being literal)
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:56   #14
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Great stories! Keep 'em coming, AM!
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:34   #15
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I am amazed that you have survived this long.

Do you attend church regularly, or are you just permanently lucky?

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