03-17-2017, 19:46
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Been all across the Country, and it breaks my heart that all the good folks in "flyover country" may have to get dirty. No hard working people deserves any of that. But it happens when good people ignore the obvious.
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Insurgencies always begin in the rural ares.
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03-17-2017, 19:58
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#122
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Kommie Kolledge Kids never get it until it's too late.
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Invite them to a non-partisan event; host a showing of this (allowing an intermission or 2 because it's longer than Avatar or an Oprah re-run). Lay-in as much popcorn, taquitos, and high-priced fad drinks as you want and let them get mad about something besides their confusion between which bathroom to use.
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03-17-2017, 20:09
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dd, funny you should say that. I read an Army research study paper back in the 1980s (U), and they looked at what a USA civil war would look like. Long ass dissertation, but the gist of it was this: shy of any outside intervention, the war would be almost all UW, and it would be Rural vs City. Large population centers would be trying to supply off the hinterlands. The Rurals would resist. Military force could be pressed in limited direct point areas only, and couldn't hold them. Move in, take what you can for the cities, move out. Would finally settle into the coastal areas against the interior. Weird, that I don't remember how it ended.
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03-18-2017, 08:48
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dd, funny you should say that. I read an Army research study paper back in the 1980s (U), and they looked at what a USA civil war would look like. Long ass dissertation, but the gist of it was this: shy of any outside intervention, the war would be almost all UW, and it would be Rural vs City. Large population centers would be trying to supply off the hinterlands. The Rurals would resist. Military force could be pressed in limited direct point areas only, and couldn't hold them. Move in, take what you can for the cities, move out. Would finally settle into the coastal areas against the interior. Weird, that I don't remember how it ended.
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Do you have a copy of the research paper you referenced or a link to it? From your brief summary of the conclusion, I agree. We are in the pre-Phase I or early Phase I of that right now IMO.
BTW, welcome aboard.
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03-18-2017, 11:22
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Pondering the rural vs urban divide, and the dependence of the latter upon the former for food, fuel, etc.;
A certain quote from one of the Mad Max movies comes to mind:
"Who run Bartertown?"
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03-18-2017, 11:41
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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen
Pondering the rural vs urban divide, and the dependence of the latter upon the former for food, fuel, etc.;
A certain quote from one of the Mad Max movies comes to mind:
"Who run Bartertown?"
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Master Blaster run Bartertown!
Now who is the Duke of New York?
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03-18-2017, 12:37
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A # 1. 
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03-18-2017, 12:37
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Master Blaster run Bartertown!
Now who is the Duke of New York?
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Isaac Hayes....
But the POTUS took him out at the wall so Plissken could escape.
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03-18-2017, 13:40
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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen
Pondering the rural vs urban divide, and the dependence of the latter upon the former for food, fuel, etc.;
A certain quote from one of the Mad Max movies comes to mind:
"Who run Bartertown?"
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There is a growing divide between the urban dwellers and the rural folks, but It would seem with the corporatization of farming (Monsanto, ADM, Tysons, etc.) that the divide based on the dependence of urban on rural isn't near much as it was 30 plus years ago.
The complaint I hear from rural folks is that the City folks want to tell us how to live our lives, that is very difficult to eek out a living on the farm because they cannot compete with corporate faming and government regulations are too burdensome.
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03-18-2017, 18:15
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There is a growing divide between the urban dwellers and the rural folks, but It would seem with the corporatization of farming (Monsanto, ADM, Tysons, etc.) that the divide based on the dependence of urban on rural isn't near much as it was 30 plus years ago.
The complaint I hear from rural folks is that the City folks want to tell us how to live our lives, that is very difficult to eek out a living on the farm because they cannot compete with corporate faming and government regulations are too burdensome.
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The economy as a whole, and the cities in particular, are dependent upon trucking.
Opportunism will thrive in any chaos.
Doesn't matter who "legally" owns the goods.
There's a reason trade routes have been so important through history.
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03-18-2017, 23:07
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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen
The economy as a whole, and the cities in particular, are dependent upon trucking.
Opportunism will thrive in any chaos.
Doesn't matter who "legally" owns the goods.
There's a reason trade routes have been so important through history.
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That has already become apparent with the Chicago gang bangers recently raiding freight trains hauling commercial firearms.
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03-19-2017, 09:25
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That has already become apparent with the Chicago gang bangers recently raiding freight trains hauling commercial firearms.
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I saw that as an exaggerated fluff piece.
The ATF probably lost more of their own guns in the same period.
I don't know of any manufacturer shipping firearms by rail. And all the stores I know ship in and out by UPS or Fedex.
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03-19-2017, 10:47
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I saw that as an exaggerated fluff piece.
The ATF probably lost more of their own guns in the same period.
I don't know of any manufacturer shipping firearms by rail. And all the stores I know ship in and out by UPS or Fedex.
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Concur as to known shipment methods by stores.
Maybe the tip on the rail shipment is part of Freight & Furious. Or someone's good idea faerie was watching the latter part of "McClintock!"
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03-19-2017, 11:34
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I was a railroad freight conductor working for the BNSF out of Kansas City almost 20 years ago. There was a mass section of rails that passed through the city so all the different freight trains could go through. Very slow process because of the congestion and trains would sit for hours trying to get across town. Trains were robbed all the time and I remember one particular incident where a bunch of firearms were stolen from a train. They were destined for a large sporting goods store. Rumor was that it was an inside job because the perps knew which car to hit and only took the guns.....so, it has happened in the past.
I'm not familiar with the Chicago story, but I agree that shipment methods of this type would have changed by now.
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03-19-2017, 15:18
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That has already become apparent with the Chicago gang bangers recently raiding freight trains hauling commercial firearms.
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Kinda makes one wonder what left-wing socialist union member was paid by the gangs of Chicago for that information.......
Cause the gangs of Chicago don't have the intellectual capacity to pull that off on their own.
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