U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, staff, shot at event in Tuscon, Ariz.

[Team Sergeant]

Best wishes and get well Gabrielle Giffords!
Team Sergeant


Congresswomen Describe Seeing Giffords Open Eye
Updated: Thursday, 13 Jan 2011, 7:44 AM MST
Published : Thursday, 13 Jan 2011, 7:44 AM MST

JULIE PACE, Associated Press

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (AP) — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' friends say it's nothing short of a miracle: Days after being shot in the head point-blank, the injured congresswoman opened an eye Wednesday for the first time.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...38143-01132011

[alright4u]

Amen.

[Foot Drill]

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[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Foot Drill

I completely disagree, and frankly these types’ statements worry me. I do agree that it would be completely wrong to use the situation in such a way, but to compare people who talk about the situation and use it to their political advantage, or whatever kind of advantage you are thinking of, with people who commit mass murder and kill innocent 9 year old girls and grandparents is clearly a cognitive distortion. And such a statement gives credence to say that they, like the P.O.S Jared L., deserve death for what they have done. It’s this type of distorted thought and influence that is likely the reason the situation arose in the first place. I know I may catch a firestorm a crap from disagreeing with you, Team Sergeant, but statements like that can’t go uncontested.

Bullshit

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Foot Drill

I completely disagree, and frankly these types’ statements worry me. I do agree that it would be completely wrong to use the situation in such a way, but to compare people who talk about the situation and use it to their political advantage, or whatever kind of advantage you are thinking of, with people who commit mass murder and kill innocent 9 year old girls and grandparents is clearly a cognitive distortion. And such a statement gives credence to say that they, like the P.O.S Jared L., deserve death for what they have done. It’s this type of distorted thought and influence that is likely the reason the situation arose in the first place. I know I may catch a firestorm a crap from disagreeing with you, Team Sergeant, but statements like that can’t go uncontested.

Gentlemen,

Nice point. It could be said that those who attempt to use this tragedy (politicians) to their advantage, or to further their agenda, etc... are simply exercising their right to free speech, although it is morally abhorrent to do so.
Along this same lines, that Westboro idiot protesting at funerals. Disgusting, despicable behavior. But until Arizona rushed into passing their anti-protesting law, it was not illegal.
Its interesting (although sometimes painful) to discuss this from the perspective of morally wrong (what politicians are doing with this) vs illegal (actually committing the act of murder).

Respectfully,
Hand.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Hand

Gentlemen,

Nice point. It could be said that those who attempt to use this tragedy (politicians) to their advantage, or to further their agenda, etc... are simply exercising their right to free speech, although it is morally abhorrent to do so.
Along this same lines, that Westboro idiot protesting at funerals. Disgusting, despicable behavior. But until Arizona rushed into passing their anti-protesting law, it was not illegal.
Its interesting (although sometimes painful) to discuss this from the perspective of morally wrong (what politicians are doing with this) vs illegal (actually committing the act of murder).

Respectfully,
Hand.

I could not have said it better.

Disagree all you like Foot Drill. rahm emanuel would be proud of you!

"you never want a serious crisis go to waste"
rahm emanuel

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Foot Drill

I completely disagree, and frankly these types’ statements worry me. I do agree that it would be completely wrong to use the situation in such a way, but to compare people who talk about the situation and use it to their political advantage, or whatever kind of advantage you are thinking of, with people who commit mass murder and kill innocent 9 year old girls and grandparents is clearly a cognitive distortion. And such a statement gives credence to say that they, like the P.O.S Jared L., deserve death for what they have done. It’s this type of distorted thought and influence that is likely the reason the situation arose in the first place. I know I may catch a firestorm a crap from disagreeing with you, Team Sergeant, but statements like that can’t go uncontested.

Let me ask a question of you in a round about way. Say politicians use this situation to ban the private ownership of firearms. All those who obey the law turn them in, all who do not keep them. The thugs use the advantage to make a major assualt on the unarmed - see British crime rates and what happened to homeowners who defended themselves.

Could not the deaths from that crime wave be layed at the feet of politicians?

How about the parole board who turns a thug free and then he kills a cop? Does the parole board share any of the blame?

Notice how politicians and government workers (Departments of Social Services) get a pass when they screw up other peoples lives.

[98G]

Originally Posted by Foot Drill

I completely disagree, and frankly these types’ statements worry me. I do agree that it would be completely wrong to use the situation in such a way, but to compare people who talk about the situation and use it to their political advantage, or whatever kind of advantage you are thinking of, with people who commit mass murder and kill innocent 9 year old girls and grandparents is clearly a cognitive distortion. And such a statement gives credence to say that they, like the P.O.S Jared L., deserve death for what they have done. It’s this type of distorted thought and influence that is likely the reason the situation arose in the first place. I know I may catch a firestorm a crap from disagreeing with you, Team Sergeant, but statements like that can’t go uncontested.

I will step in the fray and agree that mass murder is worse than running at the mouth, no matter how distasteful the rhetoric or how distorted. I can turn off the volume on the news or change the channel. I can vote as I please. I cannot bring 6 people back from the dead or expedite the Congresswoman's recovery. I don't think the TS was being that literal.

IMHO -- the Team Sergeant was just turning up the contrast to voice his rightful disgust at how quickly people jump on an issue with few facts but lots of enthusiasm. This forum has a main audience of QP's and accepted guests. If a QP wants to let off steam, I prefer that to any politician and certainly think this is a logical place to do it.

my $.02

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by 98G

I will step in the fray and agree that mass murder is worse than running at the mouth, no matter how distasteful the rhetoric or how distorted. I can turn off the volume on the news or change the channel. I can vote as I please. I cannot bring 6 people back from the dead or expedite the Congresswoman's recovery. I don't think the TS was being that literal.

IMHO -- the Team Sergeant was just turning up the contrast to voice his rightful disgust at how quickly people jump on an issue with few facts but lots of enthusiasm. This forum has a main audience of QP's and accepted guests. If a QP wants to let off steam, I prefer that to any politician and certainly think this is a logical place to do it.

my $.02

How many people did Hitler personally kill?

Can the evil ideas not be worse than the actions of a single criminal?

TR

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Hand

Gentlemen,

Nice point. It could be said that those who attempt to use this tragedy (politicians) to their advantage, or to further their agenda, etc... are simply exercising their right to free speech, although it is morally abhorrent to do so.
Along this same lines, that Westboro idiot protesting at funerals. Disgusting, despicable behavior. But until Arizona rushed into passing their anti-protesting law, it was not illegal.
Its interesting (although sometimes painful) to discuss this from the perspective of morally wrong (what politicians are doing with this) vs illegal (actually committing the act of murder).

Respectfully,
Hand.

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[trvlr]

Originally Posted by alright4u

This is the Bill Ayers progressive, commie, hate America politics at it's worse. Obozo just had to make a deal of this.

Pat Buchanan stated this about a year ago.

http://www.nerepublican.com/index.ph...tter-to-obama/

Yet, our President with his queen and her 1.6 million a year servants meticulously planned a political rally.

SAD.

I was at the 'remembrance rally' "our President and his queen" put on at Ft Hood. There was a collective sigh of relief after it was over. I think it helped to dissipate the dark cloud hanging over the place after MAJ Hassan shot up the SRP.

I would say the grand majority of us took it for face "remembrance" value rather than seeing it as some grandiose plan for media exposure and showing the country that he cares about the troops (although we all knew that was part of his reasoning.)

IMHO opinion most of the people that showed up in Tucson that night left better off emotionally than they were before. If it's good enough for them, was it wrong for the President to go down there and do it?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by trvlr

I was at the 'remembrance rally' "our President and his queen" put on at Ft Hood. There was a collective sigh of relief after it was over. I think it helped to dissipate the dark cloud hanging over the place after MAJ Hassan shot up the SRP.

I would say the grand majority of us took it for face "remembrance" value rather than seeing it as some grandiose plan for media exposure and showing the country that he cares about the troops (although we all knew that was part of his reasoning.)

IMHO opinion most of the people that showed up in Tucson that night left better off emotionally than they were before. If it's good enough for them, was it wrong for the President to go down there and do it?

No, it wasn't wrong for him to go down there and make a showing. It was wrong for him and every other left wing sleazebag to politicize it.

Anyone who can't see through what's been done by the liberals regarding this incident is either too dumb to breathe or a liberal himself.

[Sigaba]

My issue with the president's comments yesterday--the transcript and video of which are available here and there--can be narrowed down in to comment; a comment the president himself spoke.

As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let’s use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy and remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together.

In his journey from the senate, to his candidacy for this nation's highest elected office, and to the Oval Office itself, how many times have we heard/read the man point fingers, assign blame, fail to use a 'moral imagination,' and to fail utterly to show an appropriate amount of empathy?

IMO, it would have been quite different if the man had said yesterday something along the lines of "I'm using this tragedy as an opportunity to look in the mirror and to find my own way to be more like Gabby Giffords." Instead, he insinuated that there's nothing wrong with the way he does his thing, but rather it is his critics and opponents who have a problem.

Moreover, his comment "I want to live up to [Christina Green's] expectations" was an awful piece of political theater. You cannot ask a dead child "Am I doing right by you?" And making that goal a priority when there are hundreds of millions of living Americans who this president to do right by them is insulting.

And I'm have no doubt that it isn't by accident the this president calls for a specific type of 'civil' discourse while trying to discredit a contrasting style.

My $0.02.

[trvlr]

Originally Posted by Dusty

No, it wasn't wrong for him to go down there and make a showing. It was wrong for him and every other left wing sleazebag to politicize it.

Anyone who can't see through what's been done by the liberals regarding this incident is either too dumb to breathe or a liberal himself.

I watched it and while there were slight political overtones I don't think it was enough for the proceedings to be seen as a political rally.

The liberals have made more outlandish statements than the conservatives on this one "Jared was Palin's Manchurian Candidate," but the conservatives haven't stayed silent... "just wait, the government will use this to come after our guns."

It looks like another example of people running to their team's side rather than trying to find positives in the situation. Retirees beat and subdued the gunman. Americans shielding each other from the bullets. Civilians applying buddy aid without training. Congresswoman gets shot in the back of her head and lives. The President refutes most of the idiotic ideas regarding blame, gives a pretty good memorial speech, and does it without the teleprompter

The irony of it is Congresswoman Giffords is one of the most moderate people in the House. I wonder what she will say about the post shooting situation when she regains her faculties.

[trvlr]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

My issue with the president's comments yesterday--the transcript and video of which are available here and there--can be narrowed down in to comment; a comment the president himself spoke.In his journey from the senate, to his candidacy for this nation's highest elected office, and to the Oval Office itself, how many times have we heard/read the man point fingers, assign blame, fail to use a 'moral imagination,' and to fail utterly to show an appropriate amount of empathy?

IMO, it would have been quite different if the man had said yesterday something along the lines of "I'm using this tragedy as an opportunity to look in the mirror and to find my own way to be more like Gabby Giffords." Instead, he insinuated that there's nothing wrong with the way he does his thing, but rather it is his critics and opponents who have a problem.

Moreover, his comment "I want to live up to [Christina Green's] expectations" was an awful piece of political theater. You cannot ask a dead child "Am I doing right by you?" And making that goal a priority when there are hundreds of millions of living Americans who this president to do right by them is insulting.

And I'm have no doubt that it isn't by accident the this president calls for a specific type of 'civil' discourse while trying to discredit a contrasting style.

My $0.02.

That's nothing knew. Almost every memorial service I've been to has some sort of "make X proud" although "X" is dead. I doubt most Americans would find that insulting.

I definitely agree with your views on finger pointing. I'm sure if you cornered him on it he would say "I include myself when I say 'we' and 'each of us'"