Secession

[Trapper John]

afchic-
You have more faith in the electorate than I do. There are a lot of "ifs" in your premise though.

I have always thought that significant progress in any endeavor is brought about by a highly motivated and courageous minority with a plan.

You are correct, this will need to get a whole lot worse first.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by afchic

We have enough laws as it is. We don't need anymore to enforce the ones already on the books. Agree. I am certainly not suggesting more laws.

We don't need term limits, we already have them. It is called voting the bastards out. You must recognize that we have a permanent political class where holding office is a career choice successfully achieved with no skills other than the skill to be elected. Whatever happened to the notion of "sacrificing" for public service?

And if the majority doesn't want to do that, well that is why it is a majority and we have the government we deserve. One of the great notions in our foundation (see Federalist Papers) was the protection of the minority from the "tyranny" of the majority.

If the Congress would do their jobs, and pass a reasonable budget every year, we wouldn't need a balanced budget ammendment. Well, how's that been working out?

I personally believe the Republicans should get out of the way, and let the Dems have every damn thing they want for the next two years. Then mabe the majority will begin to see that socialism is not the answer to our problems, Assuming the majority can think critically . and they can't blame the Repubs for stonewalling. Maybe, but that is a big MAYBE? It is far more likely that the Libs and their PR machine (MSM)will still twist the facts and blame Bush, the Republicans, the Man in the Moon, etc.

Hope this is clarifying.

[Richard]

When speaking of secession, perhaps remembering the words of a complex builder of our great Republic, Sam Houston, may have merit. He became the Republic of Texas' first president after its interim government and one of its first senators after Texas joined the union.

Although a slave holder, Houston was a strong Union supporter and fought against legislation to expand slavery to other parts of the country, a position that would later cost him his Senate seat. He also strongly resisted the movement toward secession. After being re-elected governor, he called a special session of the Legislature to speak out against such action.

In an 1860 speech before the Texas state legislature, he posed some questions that might also be asked of today's secessionists.

"What do these men propose to give you in exchange for this Government? All are ready to admit their ability to pull down, but can they build up? I have read of the glory of a Southern Confederacy, and seen the schemes of rash enthusiasts; but no rational basis has been presented.... [W]here are their Washingtons, their Jeffersons, and Madisons? Where is the spirit of sacrifice and patriotism which brought the Union into existence, and maintained it amid privation and danger? Look at the men who are crying out disunion, and then ask yourselves whether they are the men you would chose to create a new government."

Something worth pondering...I think.

Richard

[Trapper John]

Very well said, Richard. A true teacher are you and we can all learn a few things from Sam Houston too