Military class suspended for view on Islam

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

You do realize that empathy is not necessarily a bad trait for an SF soldier to have, don't you?

Absolutely. And those nice folks in that video made me well aware of their feelings.

[BKKMAN]

More peace and tolerance...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ite&ocid=msnhp

[T-Rock]

I think the more pertinent question might be "Why is Islam the only religion that cannot be criticized?"

It’s the Shariah…, no other religion is like Islam...



Shariah is the basis for every demand that a Muslim makes on our society. The easiest way to learn about Islam is through Shariah law. Under Shariah law:

* There is no freedom of religion.
* There is no freedom of speech.
* There is no freedom of thought.
* There is no freedom of artistic expression.
* There is no freedom of the press.
* There is no equality of peoples - a Kafir is never equal to a Muslim.
* There are no equal rights for women.
* A Kafir cannot bear arms.
* Kafir are Dhimmis, third class citizens.
* All governments must be ruled by Shariah law.
* Unlike common law, Shariah is not interpretive, nor can it be changed.
* Under Shariah there is no Golden Rule.
* There is no freedom to criticize Islam, Muhammad, or Allah.


Under Shariah law, it is a criminal offense to speak ill of Islam, Muhammed, or its scripture. To do so is blasphemy (KUFR) and it’s punishable by death:

Qur’an:

“…An agonizing torment awaits those who insult God’s Messenger…” (Sura 9:62).

“Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger,..…..Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering” (Sura 33:57-61).

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief (KUFR/blasphemy) in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,..”(Sura 5:33)

"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?"(Sura 6:93)

Hadith:

When Muhammad learned that one of his followers had stabbed and killed his slave for making derogatory remarks about Muhammad, he declared that "no retaliation is payable for her blood."(Abu Dawud 38:4348)

Muhammad asked his followers to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf for writing inflammatory poetry about Muhammad and Muslim women. (Sahih Bukhari 3:45:687, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:270, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:271, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369, Sahih Muslim 19:4436, Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 97, etc..)

Muhammad asked his followers to kill Abu Afak for making negative remarks about Muhammad and Islam. (Ishaq:675)

Shariah

9.2 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “A lie about me is not the same as a lie about someone else: whoever intentionally lies about me shall take a place for himself in hell.” (Reliance of the Traveller. Pgs 658).

c2.5 The unlawful (haram) is what the Law-giver strictly forbids….”

(3) and unbelief (Kufr), sins which put one beyond the pale of Islam (as discussed at o8.7) and necessitate stating the Testification of Faith (Shahada)…

f1.3 Someone (who knows Islamic Jurisprudence) or denies something…which there is scholarly consensus…is executed for his unbelief…

O8.7 (7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it;

(3) to speak words that imply unbelief…

(19) To be sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law;

(20) or to deny that Allah intended the Prophet’s message (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be the religion followed by the entire world (dis: w4.3-4) (al-Hadiyya al-Ala’iyya (y4), 423-24)

(Reliance of the Traveller. Pgs. 595-610)

Our leaders are Dhimmis for allowing the following to stand… John Brennan and General Martin E. Dempsey are Dhimmis...
> http://www.thomasmore.org/sites/defa...2011%20(3).pdf

[PRB]

A Muslim practitioner cannot practice Islam with the Quran alone...it is impossible. One must have the Sira and Haddith to 'practice' Islam.
The Bio of Muhammed and the examples of Muhammed written by his companions show proper Muslims how to conduct themselves.
It covers everything from how to defecate and pray, sex and money dispersal and everything under the Sun.
Muhammed is not a man of antiquity seen in the past tense.
He is the perfect man, everything he did was proper and right.
He is to be emulated.
All of Sharia comes from his interactions and explanations.
Read the above post again in that light.
Islam has no place in the modern western world in light of its construct, it does not allow for co existance unless the believers are in the minority. Dhimmitude is alive and well in every Islamic state as are all of the restrictions on women etc. (note the 14 year old Afghan girl just killed for her opinion).
Please, study any Islamic figh/jurisprudence and prove myself and the others here wrong.
Do so with Islamic fatwa based upon the above texts and I'll defer.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by PRB

....... Dhimmitude is alive and well in every Islamic state as are all of the restrictions on women etc. (note the 14 year old Afghan girl just killed for her opinion)................

The Girl PRB was talking about. I think she's still alive. At least she survived the first operation. Good thing she was flown from Swat to Peshawar. That road sucks.

Bullet removed from Pakistan girl's body who was shot at by Taliban

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/16749669.cms

"PESHAWAR: Pakistani surgeons removed a bullet on Wednesday from a 14-year-old girl shot by the Taliban for speaking out against the militants and promoting education for girls, doctors said.

Malala Yousufzai was in critical condition after gunmen shot her in the head and neck on Tuesday as she left school. Two other girls were also wounded.............."

The comments below the story would fit well in this thread.

[Penn]

This is an interesting item that is not on the MSN cycle. In fact the only way to get a feel of whats happening in the world today is to spent an inordinate amount of time online cruising news outlets and blogs.

It will be interesting to see what transpires, but I don't think the LTC will prevail against the appeasement factor.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obam...ppease-muslims

[PRB]

Glad to hear she survived.
When I was in Kandahar in '06 we were helping the local Governor with security for the city during the first elections. I spent quite a bit of time 'downtown' with the Gov, Police Chief etc.
There was an 'event' where a butcher had killed another mans wife after raping her....cut her up and put the parts in the desert.
In the court (Sharia) the butcher maintained that she was a whore and came to him and he was seduced...but after the act the rage of Allah came to him for her seduction and he killed her in the 'Name of God'.
Since no one could prove she was not a whore even tho no one else came fwd as a 'client' (being without an escort was proof enough of her lewdness) the court approved the 'blood money' of the butcher giving one of his daughters as payment to the victims husband.
He gave him an 11 year old 'wife'.
The Court consists of Mullah's...they refered to the Sira/Hadith for guidance and example.....what Muhammed did.
Justice was done.
The butcher had 4 more girls so I guess he can kill and rape at least 4 more 'whores'.
That is Sharia.

[BKKMAN]

An interesting article about Tunisia (98% Muslim)...got to get the children started early in the indoctrination program...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-cocktail?lite

[PRB]

You see the same in Palestine...childrens shows where the animal characters are attked and killed by Jews harvesting organs...not kidding.
Bring your Dad to school day where we dress up like suicide bombers.....and who do they dress up for suicide bombers for...for Allah and Muhammed because to die in the way of Allah is blessed...and THE ONLY GUARANTEED WAY OUTLINED IN THE QURAN OF GETTING TO PARADISE. Not one of the ways, all of the other ways are not listed...the only Quranic guarantee of Paradise is to DIE in the way of Allah as demonstrated by Muhammeds teachings.
Most religions say "Believe in me"
Allah says "Die for me".
One is a thought, an internalyzed thought hopefully demonstrated in action to your fellow man.
The other is a violent action executed upon a non believer.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

(NTM - your statement appears to overlook Athena’s dual nature).

FWIW, the Athena I had in mind does have a dual nature. She is an elemental force in warfare that couples puissance in arms with a willingness to play favorites by shaking the aegis to strike fear in the hearts of mortal men, and to answer the prayers of great kings by bestowing upon them god-like power so they might demonstrate arete in battle.

As she told Diomedes Lord of the Great War Cry in the Iliad of Homer:

'Be of good courage now, Diomedes, to fight with the Trojans,
since I have put insider your chest the strength of your father
untremulous, such as the horseman Tydeus of the great shield
had; I have taken away the mist from your eyes, that before now
was there, so that you may well recognize the god and the mortal.'*

But notwithstanding her bestowing favor upon not only the Greeks but upon specific individuals, she also demonstrates the other aspect of her nature: restraint. So, just as she emboldens Diomedes to slaughter Trojans, she also sets limits.

'Therefore now, if a god making trial of you comes hither
do you not do battle head on with the gods immortal,
not with the rest; but only if Aphrodite, Zeus' daughter,
comes to the fighting, her at least you may stab with the sharp bronze.'**

While there are many additional examples of Athena exercising a restraining force in violence, I think two cases are especially relevant to this present discussion.

The first is her intervention in The Eumenides, the concluding play of The Oresteia, when she casts the deciding vote that breaks the cycle of violence unleashed by the slaying of Agamemnon in the play of the same name. Although the Furies insist that Orestes should pay the price for matricide, she beseeches them.

You have your power,
you are goddesses -- but not to turn
on the world of men and ravage it past cure.

To be certain, she is again playing favorites. Not only does she favor Orestes, she is specifically concerned with the well being of the city-state bearing her name becoming engulfed in civil war. She tells the Furies.

Here in our homeland never cast the stones
that whet our bloodlust. Never waste our youth,
inflaming them with the burning wine of strife.
Never pluck the heart of the battle cock
and plant it in our people -- intestine war
seething against themselves. Let our wars
rage on abroad, with all their force, to satisfy
our powerful lust for fame. But as for the bird
that fights at home -- my curse on civil war.***

Years later, when Odysseus the Great Tactician makes his homecoming and he restores the honor of his home by slaughtering Penelope's suitors. Ithaka is on the brink of civil war.

Athena at this point made appeals to Zeus:
"Father, son of Cronus, our high and mighty king,
now let me ask you a question . . .
tell me the secrets hidden in your mind.
Will you prolong the pain, the cruel fighting here
or hand down pacts of peace between both sides?"

"My child," Zeus who marshals the thunderheads replied,
"why do you pry and probe me so intently? Come now,
wasn't the plan your own? You conceived it yourself:
Odysseus should return and pay the traitors back.
Do as your hear desires --
but let me tell you how it should be done.
Now that royal Odysseus has taken his revenge,
let both sides seal their pacts that he shall reign for life,
and let us purge their memories of the bloody slaughter
of their brothers and their sons. Let them be friends,
devoted as in the old days. Let peace and wealth
come cresting through the land."^

At this point, you and other careful readers might rightly point out that Athena makes a clear distinction between civil war and war against a foreign power. And you may also point out that, Athena sides with one force against the other, and has in mind an end state in which her side prevails over the other. Moreover, you could point out that the end states for which she strives in the Orestia and the Odyssey are far from satisfactory; in each case, mortal men are ultimately required to break with two important practices (obedience to the law and memory).

Yet, I would contend that equally important is her foresight that violence must be restrained before it engulfs all combatants to the point where war will not end until it is too late for everyone.

My $0.02.


__________________________________________
* The Iliad, book five, lines 124-128. All quotes from The Iliad of Homer use the Lattimore translation (1951) which I prefer over the Fagles translation (1990).
** Ibid., lines 129-132.
*** These quotes from The Eumenides by Aeschylus are from the Fagles translation (1975), lines 833-835, and 867-875. Again, I prefer Lattimore translation, but sometimes one must just go with what a public library has to offer.
^ This passage from The Odyssey of Homer uses the Fagles translation (1996), book twenty four, lines 521-538.

[MR2]

'Bout Time to deploy the boys...!!!

[sinjefe]

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond...l-just-a-hoax/

Interesting POV from Raymond Ibrahim. A conservative guy, to be sure, but his points are no less interesting.

[T-Rock]

“…to die in the way of Allah is blessed...and THE ONLY GUARANTEED WAY OUTLINED IN THE QURAN OF GETTING TO PARADISE. Not one of the ways, all of the other ways are not listed...the only Quranic guarantee of Paradise is to DIE in the way of Allah as demonstrated by Muhammeds teachings.”

Sura 61:10 & Sura 9:111:

You who believe, shall I show you a bargain that will save you from painful punishment? 11 Have faith in God and His Messenger and struggle [j-h-d] for His cause with your possessions and your persons—that is better for you, if only you knew—12 and He will forgive your sins, admit you into Gardens graced with flowing streams, into pleasant dwellings in the Gardens of Eternity. That is the supreme triumph (61:10)

God has purchased the persons and possessions of the believers for the Garden—they fight [q-t-l] in God’s way: they kill [q-t-l] and are killed [q-t-l]—this is a true promise given by Him .... Who could be more faithful to his promise than God? So be happy with the bargain you have made: that is the supreme triumph.(9:111)




Not only that…, according to the Hadith, a martyr can also intercede for 70 members of his or her family. The blood of the martyr not only assures Islamic salvation, it assures 70 members of his family salvation also…


The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The intercession of a martyr will be accepted for seventy members of his family. (Abu-Dawud Book 14, Number 2516)

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_disp...19&number=2513

Don’t bother looking for this Hadith at USC. It has been removed:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...dith/abudawud/


The martyrs intercession explains this mothers joy…

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5Vi9oNs42hs

[PRB]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond...l-just-a-hoax/

Interesting POV from Raymond Ibrahim. A conservative guy, to be sure, but his points are no less interesting.

On the money.....Westerner's don't want to believe the truth about Islam, it frightens them, so out of PC or fear they want to 'norm' the religion to a palatable cocktail.
The truth is we are afraid of the truth because it will force us to make decisions about a religion in a way we've never done before in this Country.
Islam is not a spiritual religion...it is an earthly political construct.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Pete

The Girl PRB was talking about.

More information on the terrorist attack.

Mullah Fazlullah ordered assassination of Pakistani schoolgirl

By BILL ROGGIO
October 12, 2012 7:19 PM

Excerpts:

Mullah Fazlullah, the emir of the Swat branch of the Movement Taliban in Pakistan (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, or TTP), ordered the assassination of Malala Yousafzai, a young schoolgirl in Swat who has spoken out against the terror group. Malala and two other girls were shot while on a bus in Swat...


...Several hours later on the day of the attack, Ihsanullah Ihsan, the top spokesman for the Movement Taliban in Pakistan, took credit for the attempt to murder Malala, in an email received by The Long War Journal. The Oct. 9 email, titled "Important Clarification," is reproduced in full, and unedited, below [emphasis added]. Ihsan tries to justify the assassination by claiming that Malala opposed sharia, or Islamic law, and that accordingly her assassination was "obligatory" under Islamic law.

TTP successfully targeted Malala Yousafzai in Mingora, although she was young and a girl and TTP does not believe in attacking on women, but whom so ever leads campaign against Islam & Shariah is Ordered to be killed by Shariah.

When its a matter of Shariah, and someone tries to bring fitnah with his/her activities, and it involves in leading a campaign against shariah and tries to involve whole community in such campaign, and that personality become a symbol of anti shariah campaign, not just its allowed to kill such person but its Obligatory in Islam.

If anyone Argues about her so young age , then the Story of Hazrat Khizar in Quran that relates that Hazrat Khizar while Traveling with Prophet Musa (AS) killed a child, arguing about the reason of his killing he said that the parents of this child are Pious and in future he will cause bad name for them.

If anyone argues that she was female, then we can see the incident of killing of wife by a blind Companion of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) because she use to say insultive words for prophet.And prophet praised this act.

Its a clear command of shariah that any female, that by any means play role in war against mujahideen, should be killed. Malala Yousafzai was playing a vital role in bucking up the emotions of Murtad army and Government of Pakistan, and was inviting muslims to hate mujahideen.

Tehrik taliban's crime wasn't that they banned education for girls, instead our crime is that we tried to bring Education system for both boys and girls under shariah.We are deadly against co-education and secular education syestem, and shriah orders us to be against it.

If anyone thinks thinks that Malala is targeted because of education, that's absolutely wrong, and a propaganda of Media, Malala is targeted because of her pioneer role in preaching secularism and so called enlightened moderation. And whom so ever will commit so in future too will be targeted again by TTP.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat...#ixzz29E1ijPCa