Robed Muslim Clerics Kicked Off Flight

[Dusty]

Some of you "tolerant" yahoos need to start reading something besides Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Khalil Gibran books:


Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'"
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
Tabari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."
Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse 'And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'"
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."

[Dusty]

http://bigjournalism.com/sright/2011...ians-in-egypt/

[T-Rock]

Nowhere in the Koran does it say that a Muslim is opposed to Christianity and more so that the Bible says to be anti Muslim.

Not so…

"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Qur’an 5:51)

…it is unbelief (Kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as “Christianity” or “Judaism,” are acceptable to Allah most high after he has sent the final messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) to the entire world.
(Reliance of the Traveller, w4.0 [2] ).
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave.../dp/0915957728

http://ahollowreveille.com/wp-conten...ate_speech.pdf



Therefore, Jews and Christians are considered as Kafir…
http://salafiyyah-jadeedah.tripod.co..._the_Kafir.htm


So….

o4:17 There is no indemnity for killing a non-Muslim...
(pgs 588-595)
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave.../dp/0915957728


And Islam refers to the non-believer/pagan/christian/atheist/jew as Kafir, and promotes a polarized ideology of us vs them because the...


Kafir are evil:

O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. (Sura 2: 254)

And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers. (Sura 5:45)

The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of God: and God guides not people who do wrong. (Sura 62:5)

Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked. (Sura 24:55)

No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrong-doers.(Sura 7:5)

O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not. (Sura 7:27)



Kafir are like animals:

If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect. (Sura 7:176)

Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. (Sura 5:60)

When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (Sura 7:166)

Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle; - nay, they are worse astray in Path. (Sura 25: 44)



Kafir are Unclean:

O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. (Sura 9:28)

Kafir are unintelligent:

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. (Sura 8:65)


Kafir are the worst of creatures:

For the vilest beasts in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who understand not. (Sura 8:22)

For the worst of beasts in the sight of God are those who reject Him: They will not believe. (Sura 8: 55)

Verily those who believe not, among those who have received the scriptures, and among the idolaters, [shall be cast] into the fire of hell, to remain therein [for ever]. These are the worst of creatures. (Sura 98:6)

Therefore, the Kafir can be Hated:

They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah. (Sura 40:35)

The Kafir can be mocked:


On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did? (Sura 83:34)

The Kafir can be punished:

Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come. (Sura 25:77)

The Kafir can be beheaded:

When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly. (Sura 47:4)

The Kafir can be confused:

Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran]. (Sura 6:25)


The Kafir can be plotted against:

They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while. (Sura 86:15)

The Kafir can be terrorized:

Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!" (Sura 8:12)

The Kafir can be annihilated:

So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds. (Sura 6:45)

The Kafir can be killed:

If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them. (Sura 4:91)

The Kafir can be crucified:

The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mitt mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful. (Sura 5:33)

War should be made on the Kafir:

Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated. (Sura 9:29)

A Muslim should not be friends with the Kafir:


Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him. (Sura 3:28)


A Kafir can be cursed:

They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways. (Sura 33:60-61)

Originally Posted by John_Chrichton

Semantics. It doesn't matter if Islam is an Abrahamic religion or not. What matters is that it DIRECTLY inspires its followers to commit atrocities against non-believers.

In fact, like SF-TX and TS already said, Islam is more than just a religion. It is also an extremely powerful political ideology, which is inherently incompatible with the Western values upon which our Country was founded.

The true followers of Islam, the ones who seek to further the reestablishment of the Caliphate and force the submission of the world to Sharia law, are actively using our laws and social norms against us. These people know that we are willing to compromise our own security for the sake of preserving their freedom to worship, dress and act according to their traditions.

We have to draw the line somewhere however. We have to man up, face the fact that a Muslim is more likely to commit a terrorist act than a 65 yr old grandmother from The Quarry, AK, and tailor our security policies accordingly.

Our tolerance should not be infinite. We shouldn't allow our own values to be used against us in this war of civilizations.

Sounds like you've been reading a little Huntington

What about Mureille Degauque? You can be sure people weren't expecting a blonde haired Belgian lady to conduct a suicide attack.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by cszakolczai

Sounds like you've been reading a little Huntington

What about Mureille Degauque? You can be sure people weren't expecting a blonde haired Belgian lady to conduct a suicide attack.

Well, she was a Muslim after all.

[ruth nasrullah]

Originally Posted by Pete

You have got to be kidding. You need to study up on the peaceful religion of Islam some more.

The Muslims you are refering to are not good Muslims but apostates. And I ain't the one saying it. Leading Muslim clerics - clerics like the ones thrown off the plane - have said there are no moderate Muslims - just apostates and they will be taken care of in due time. This "pick and choose the better parts of the Koran" does not fly with "Good" Muslims.

There can be no reformation in Islam because the Koran is the word of God and is perfect. There will be no rewrite or even relook of the Koran.

Go to a Muslim forum and state that they need to rewrite the Koran or ignore the more violent parts in the later section to make it more peaceful.

Did you ever go to Ruth's blog and see how she got hammered by Muslims for her "pick and choose" remarks?

So again watch the elections in Egypt, see what happens in the rest of northern Africa and keep your eye on Turkey. Islam is on the march.

Hello, Sir. Without jumping into the argument about what constitutes appropriate interpretation of the Qur'an, and simply because you referred to my blog, I'd like to make the point that I'm not confident that particular comments on that blog necessarily support the idea that "real" Muslims deride so-called "pick and choose" Muslims. Muslims and non-Muslims make all kinds of remarks all the time about all kinds of things on that blog. Unfortunately, unless I know the reader I can't even be sure they are Muslim, given the anonymity of the internet. Same challenge exists with online forums, Muslim and non-Muslim.

More of us need to talk face to face. Pamela Geller is welcome for coffee at Light of Islam Bookstore any time. I will be happy to pull Reliance of the Traveler right off the shelf and go over it with her. Same goes for any reader here. I would be happy to pull various books of tafseer off the shelves and have an organic discussion of them with all the pages before us rather than copied and pasted snippets. I'm not trying to be coy. That is literally what we in this country need to do.

At any rate, I thank you for being a Straight Path reader and hope you don't mind my posting this comment without addressing the main subject of this thread.

[Sacamuelas]

Ruth-
Are you going to post a link to this thread on your site? We have enough trolling on this site lately. I would prefer you didn't.

If you do, and one of the other mods or admins doesn't have a problem with it... MAKE SURE you post a reminder that you would not appreciate anyone coming to this board to inflame. We will handle it if they do, but we have better things to do quite frankly.

[ruth nasrullah]

Originally Posted by Sacamuelas

Ruth-
Are you going to post a link to this thread on your site? We have enough trolling on this site lately. I would prefer you didn't.

If you do, and one of the other mods or admins doesn't have a problem with it... MAKE SURE you post a reminder that you would not appreciate anyone coming to this board to inflame. We will handle it if they do, but we have better things to do quite frankly.

Definitely not, Sir. In fact, I have never linked to or even pointed out to anyone my involvement on this board because I fear not everyone would understand the nature of discussions here. I really wanted to let the other Chronicle blogger know when her post was discussed but decided to let it go. Your point is entirely accurate.

EDITED to add: I should say I have never given anyone the specific name or URL of this site, although I have mentioned that my blog was discussed on a special forces-oriented website.

[Dusty]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html

Here's why the pilot wanted those asswipes off the plane:


1982–2010
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Anderson was held for 2,454 days.
1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
1985
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro.
1986
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
2003 1
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004
May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.
2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
2008
May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.
2009
Feb. 9, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills four American soldiers and their Iraqi translator near a police checkpoint.
April 10, Iraq: a suicide attack kills five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen.
MJune 1, Little Rock, Arkansas: Abdulhakim Muhammed, a Muslim convert from Memphis, Tennessee, is charged with shooting two soldiers outside a military recruiting center. One is killed and the other is wounded. In a January 2010 letter to the judge hearing his case, Muhammed asked to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, claimed ties to al-Qaeda, and called the shooting a jihadi attack "to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims."
Dec. 25: A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear. The explosive device that failed to detonate was a mixture of powder and liquid that did not alert security personnel in the airport. The alleged bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told officials later that he was directed by the terrorist group Al Qaeda. The suspect was already on the government's watch list when he attempted the bombing; his father, a respected Nigerian banker, had told the U.S. government that he was worried about his son's increased extremism.
Dec. 30, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills eight Americans civilians, seven of them CIA agents, at a base in Afghanistan. It's the deadliest attack on the agency since 9/11. The attacker is reportedly a double agent from Jordan who was acting on behalf of al-Qaeda.
2010
May 1, New York City: a car bomb is discovered in Times Square, New York City after smoke is seen coming from a vehicle. The bomb was ignited, but failed to detonate and was disarmed before it could cause any harm. Times Square was evacuated as a safety precaution. Faisal Shahzad pleads guilty to placing the bomb as well as 10 terrorism and weapons charges.
May 10, Jacksonville, Florida: a pipe bomb explodes while approximately 60 Muslims are praying in the mosque. The attack causes no injuries.
Oct. 29: two packages are found on separate cargo planes. Each package contains a bomb consisting of 300 to 400 grams (11-14 oz) of plastic explosives and a detonating mechanism. The bombs are discovered as a result of intelligence received from Saudi Arabia's security chief. The packages, bound from Yemen to the United States, are discovered at en route stop-overs, one in England and one in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by ruth nasrullah

.........At any rate, I thank you for being a Straight Path reader and hope you don't mind my posting this comment without addressing the main subject of this thread.

Ruth, we do welcome your thought's. Things might get a bit prickly now and again but......

We welcome the back and forth. We can have this discussion here. But I would love for you to take a trip to Egypt, walk down a public street to a coffee shop, sit down with a few of the locals and present your views on Islam and what it should be.

It's not us you have to convince.

[T-Rock]

Ruth, hello Ma’am….., I have a question?

If Allah guides people on the right course and provides a mode of conduct for worship through a chosen Prophet, and doesn’t lead them astray into confusion or an inability to see the right course (Qur’an 9:115), why did Arab “pagans,” long before Muhammad’s birth fall into apostasy and disbelief, needing yet another prophet in the 7th century A.D.?

After all, Islamic tradition holds that the Ka’ba was built by Abraham and Ishmael after hearing a direct revelation from Allah doesn’t it?

[ruth nasrullah]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Ruth, hello Ma’am….., I have a question?

If Allah guides people on the right course and provides a mode of conduct for worship through a chosen Prophet, and doesn’t lead them astray into confusion or an inability to see the right course (Qur’an 9:115), why did Arab “pagans,” long before Muhammad’s birth fall into apostasy and disbelief, needing yet another prophet in the 7th century A.D.?

After all, Islamic tradition holds that the Ka’ba was built by Abraham and Ishmael after hearing a direct revelation from Allah doesn’t it?

Allahu alim.

[T-Rock]

Allahu A'alam seems to be such a patent answer. So your faith is totally blind

[ruth nasrullah]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Allahu A'alam seems to be such a patent answer. So your faith is totally blind

With all due respect, you are asking me to explain why God did something. At least that's how I understood the question.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by ruth nasrullah

With all due respect, you are asking me to explain why God did something. At least that's how I understood the question.

Then why do we ask people to change? If Allah wills all and people have no control why do we ask people to take control of their lives?

Why are Muslim mad at the US for being in the Middle East? Allah wills it. He wants the US there.

Can people change Allah's will? Does Allah want something to happen and then a person changes it? Is there no free will in Islam?

If Allah wills it why complain?