U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, staff, shot at event in Tuscon, Ariz.

[Paslode]

http://patdollard.com/2011/01/unmask...t-for-it-logo/

The event, “Together We Thrive: Tucson and America” starts at 6 p.m. at McKale Center (just west of Campbell Avenue, north of E. 6th Street) and is free and open to the public. Doors will open at 4 p.m.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

I think 'the ship sailed' on half staff a long time ago. I mean NO disrespect, but the flag has been lowered often in the past few years for members of the military - to include privates. I think a federal judge qualifies. YMMV

I think in the instances the flag was lowered for a service member it was done at the state level. No offense to the judge, but if he had died in a skiing accident rather than a shooting, would we be mourning his loss nationally? Premature death is sad no matter the cause, but trying to turn this event into a national rather than local tragedy is, IMO, just more political theater using the slain/wounded as cheap props.

[Dusty]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...all-and-shot-n

Kanjorski calls for a Scott to get shot:

Politics from the Nation's Capital Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility.

Ex-Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., pens an op-ed in the New York Times today about the proper political response to this weekend's tragedy. I wholeheartedly support the former Congressman (Kanjorski lost his seat in November) when he argues that, following this weekend's shooting, Congressman need to remain open and accessible to the public. However, Kanjorski is rather hypocritical when he climbs up on his soapbox:

We all lose an element of freedom when security considerations distance public officials from the people. Therefore, it is incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation.

Incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect? Congressman heal thyself! Yesterday, I noted that, according to the Scranton Times, Kanjorski said this about Florida's new Republican Governor Rick Scott on October 23:

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...c-played-shoot

Then there's 'Nam Vet Kerry on killing G.W. Bush:

Sen. Kerry addresses 'divisive political rhetoric', report says Loughner was Kerry supporter in '04

Nearly a year ago, the Examiner's David Freddoso received a ridiculous fundraising email from Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., decrying Republicans' political rhetoric in an effort to make some green whilst delegitimizing the opposition. And Freddoso noted at the time, Kerry is not the most credible advocate for restrained political rhetoric, mentioning this incident from 2004, among other things:

Kerry was asked whether he couldn't have "killed two birds with one stone" by visiting New Hampshire. He responded with a mild joke about assassinating the president: "I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.".

[Last hard class]

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

RINOs and libs unite to trash Tea Party folks. The only thing that scares a RINO more than a lib running against them is a Tea Party rally in their district.

[Dusty]

Which victim was the primary target?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQoK5idGmg

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47277.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...n7226900.shtml

[Guy]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

Luckily I don't live in the AO, I'd be all over his position like a fat baby in a donut shop.

Stay safe.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

lol Chicken Shits

[Hand]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...he-did-after-f


Why hasn't Obama warned against 'jumping to conclusions,' as he did after Ft. Hood?
By: Byron York 01/11/11 8:34 AM
Chief Political Correspondent

On November 6, 2009, the day after Maj. Nidal Hussein allegedly killed 13 people at Ft. Hood, Texas, President Obama made a brief statement to the nation. "This morning I met with FBI Director Mueller and the relevant agencies to discuss their ongoing investigation into what caused one individual to turn his gun on fellow service men and women," the president said. "We don't know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts."

As the president spoke, there was much public speculation about Hasan's possible motive -- there were reports, for example, that he shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting; that he visited websites associated with Islamist violence; that he wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings; that he considered U.S. forces his enemy; that he opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam; and that he told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God." Still, Obama warned the nation against "jumping to conclusions" about a motive for the murders.

Now, Obama is preparing a speech on another killing spree, the shootings in Tucson, Arizona that targeted Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing six and wounding 14. Obama has made three public statements about the violence, each expressing regret for the event, sympathy for the victims, and a determination to find the cause. But even as television, radio, the Internet and print publications have been filled with speculation about the killer's motive, Obama has not cautioned against "jumping to conclusions," as he did in the Hasan case.

"We do not yet have all the answers," the president said in a written statement Saturday. "What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

"A suspect is currently in custody, but we don’t yet know what provoked this unspeakable act," the president said in public remarks later on Saturday. "A comprehensive investigation is currently underway, and at my direction, [FBI] Director Bob Mueller is en route to Arizona to help coordinate these efforts."

On Monday, Obama spoke again, this time during a press appearance with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. "We have a criminal investigation that is ongoing and charges that no doubt will be brought against the perpetrator of this heinous crime," Obama said. "In the coming days we're going to have a lot of time to reflect. Right now, the main thing we're doing is to offer our thoughts and prayers to those who've been impacted, making sure that we're joining together and pulling together as a country." Perhaps Obama's "a lot of time to reflect" was an indirect appeal to people to ease up on speculation about the crime, but if it was, it was quite indirect. And it certainly wasn't the specific warning against "jumping to conclusions" that the president issued after the Ft. Hood shootings.

On Wednesday Obama will make a more definitive statement about the Arizona shootings when he travels to Tucson for a memorial service. Perhaps then he will address the extensive charges, made mostly by his supporters, that the violence was the result of overheated rhetoric from Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, and Republicans in general. Will Obama take the side of those who blame the violence on the political Right? Or will he place the blame solely on accused shooter Jared Loughner, whose apparent mental illness fits no recognized political template?

When Obama made his main speech about the Ft. Hood killings, at a November 10, 2009 memorial service, he devoted 61 words of a 2,000-word speech to the killer's motive. "It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy," Obama said. "But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. For what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next."

In that speech, Obama took care to place blame squarely on the accused killer, Hasan, and not on any larger idea, ideology, faith, or political viewpoint. What will he say when the time comes to discuss the crimes of Jared Loughner?



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...#ixzz1Av9Bsv3b

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

A definate lack of conviction imo.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Afraid of tea party violence, 4 Arizona republicans resign.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...a9hSU6xFeGXyaw


This country is going nuts.


LHC

For some reason, these resignations have stuck in my mind since yesterday. Here are my thoughts.

1 - Ive been following the Tea Party since Sean Hanity first mentioned them. They have NEVER, repeat NEVER advocated violence. Never. Now they have never expressed love for the liberals in power, but they have also been critical of the pseudo conservatives. So why all of a sudden, have they been labeled extremists and murderers? My feeling? Its because people are listening, and applying what they learn in the voting booth. So they are the enemy, and as such, they must be discredited and America must be made to fear them. Turn them into KKK or domestic terrorist and maybe they will loose their following.
The sad part about this is, that they are pushing for more conservative values, greater accountability, lowered taxes. All the things that the current administration campaigned on, and has yet to implement.

2 - American service members risk their lives on foreign soil for American ideologies, beliefs, freedoms. The import of these are weighed by the powers that be and choices are made to put our men and women in harms way as a result of those decisions. I believe that these people quitting their jobs and stating that it was because they feared for their lives is deplorable. Can military members do that? How weak are their beliefs, how short is their supply of patriotism? They speak of 'serving' the public, yet its painfully obvious that 'serving' only applies when there is no hint of danger, imagined or otherwise. I wonder if these people are privy to the disgustingly fat benefit package that 'public servants' are entitled to, in spite of abandoning their posts.

These are my perceptions.
One note: Did anyone catch Obama saying "life partners' last night instead of wife/husband? Tells me that even though same sex marriage is still illegal in most places, the concept of marriage is being slowly deemphasized. Our values are being slowly eroded from the top.

With Respect
Hand

[Paslode]

[Hand]

^^ You changed it.... That was pretty good

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Hand

^^ You changed it.... That was pretty good

I felt like i was arguing at a wake, so I thought I should start a new topic........

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by Hand

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...he-did-after-f


Why hasn't Obama warned against 'jumping to conclusions,' as he did after Ft. Hood?
By: Byron York 01/11/11 8:34 AM
Chief Political Correspondent

On November 6, 2009, the day after Maj. Nidal Hussein allegedly killed 13 people at Ft. Hood, Texas, President Obama made a brief statement to the nation. "This morning I met with FBI Director Mueller and the relevant agencies to discuss their ongoing investigation into what caused one individual to turn his gun on fellow service men and women," the president said. "We don't know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts."

As the president spoke, there was much public speculation about Hasan's possible motive -- there were reports, for example, that he shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting; that he visited websites associated with Islamist violence; that he wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings; that he considered U.S. forces his enemy; that he opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam; and that he told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God." Still, Obama warned the nation against "jumping to conclusions" about a motive for the murders.

Now, Obama is preparing a speech on another killing spree, the shootings in Tucson, Arizona that targeted Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing six and wounding 14. Obama has made three public statements about the violence, each expressing regret for the event, sympathy for the victims, and a determination to find the cause. But even as television, radio, the Internet and print publications have been filled with speculation about the killer's motive, Obama has not cautioned against "jumping to conclusions," as he did in the Hasan case.

"We do not yet have all the answers," the president said in a written statement Saturday. "What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

"A suspect is currently in custody, but we don’t yet know what provoked this unspeakable act," the president said in public remarks later on Saturday. "A comprehensive investigation is currently underway, and at my direction, [FBI] Director Bob Mueller is en route to Arizona to help coordinate these efforts."

On Monday, Obama spoke again, this time during a press appearance with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. "We have a criminal investigation that is ongoing and charges that no doubt will be brought against the perpetrator of this heinous crime," Obama said. "In the coming days we're going to have a lot of time to reflect. Right now, the main thing we're doing is to offer our thoughts and prayers to those who've been impacted, making sure that we're joining together and pulling together as a country." Perhaps Obama's "a lot of time to reflect" was an indirect appeal to people to ease up on speculation about the crime, but if it was, it was quite indirect. And it certainly wasn't the specific warning against "jumping to conclusions" that the president issued after the Ft. Hood shootings.

On Wednesday Obama will make a more definitive statement about the Arizona shootings when he travels to Tucson for a memorial service. Perhaps then he will address the extensive charges, made mostly by his supporters, that the violence was the result of overheated rhetoric from Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, and Republicans in general. Will Obama take the side of those who blame the violence on the political Right? Or will he place the blame solely on accused shooter Jared Loughner, whose apparent mental illness fits no recognized political template?

When Obama made his main speech about the Ft. Hood killings, at a November 10, 2009 memorial service, he devoted 61 words of a 2,000-word speech to the killer's motive. "It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy," Obama said. "But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. For what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next."

In that speech, Obama took care to place blame squarely on the accused killer, Hasan, and not on any larger idea, ideology, faith, or political viewpoint. What will he say when the time comes to discuss the crimes of Jared Loughner?



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...#ixzz1Av9Bsv3b

This is the Bill Ayers progressive, commie, hate America politics at it's worse. Obozo just had to make a deal of this.

Pat Buchanan stated this about a year ago.

http://www.nerepublican.com/index.ph...tter-to-obama/

Yet, our President with his queen and her 1.6 million a year servants meticulously planned a political rally.

SAD.