NYC Ground Zero Mosque

[rdret1]

Originally Posted by akv

The Ground Zero Mosque is emotional for many of us, IMHO allowing it to be built is a sign of strength not weakness.

You make some good points. I don't believe it is just a constitutional issue though. Yes, they have the legal right to build the mosque anywhere they wish, if they own the property. Is it a well thought out idea, with the feelings and rights of others in mind as well? No, I don't think it is. Using some of your examples, would NAMBLA be allowed to build an office or outreach facility within a couple blocks of an elementary school? Even if someone within the organization owned the land, I would think the community outrage would prevent it. Would the KKK be allowed to build an office or other building in the middle of a mostly black neighborhood? Or even on a street named after Dr. Martin Luther King? Even if someone in the organization owned the land, I would think there would be such an outpouring of dissent, that the city would be forced to deny the permits.

Yes we have the constitutional rights to do certain things like this. There are times, however, when common sense and respect for the rights and sensibilities of others need to be taken into account. In another article I read, the example of building a German WWII museum near Auschwitz was mentioned. They may have the right, but it is simply not the RIGHT thing to do.

I have the right to tell everyone I meet on the street to go screw themselves. Sooner or later though, I would probably get punched. I have the right to play my music as loud as I want. If my neighbor is disturbed by this though, it would only be good manners and considerate to turn it down.

[Nightflyer]

Warrior Mentors-

Im a young Soldier who doesn't suffer from a lack of motivation and my confidence level is very high. Im a good student and even better college athlete. I'm a native New Yorker, and have been working very hard on my SFAS for a good long while now. I've always been a leader, and the "go to guy" when it comes to crossing the goal line in any endevor. Phase V – Language Training is going to be a problem for me when it comes for me to move on in my Army career. That said, I can work with anyone and it's not that hard for me to get my point across to anyone without speaking their Language. Im from New York, you know what I mean? lol.

Mayor Bloomberg, is a complete and utter ass hat. The day of 9/11 and the days to follow were very tough on all of us and our country. How easy people forget? I lost my friend Joshua Reiss that day. Joshua started that day with a simple phone call to his grandmother at 0830 everyday from his little work station on the 102nd floor of Canton Fitzgerald, in the North Tower. The weird thing is he just transfered fron a company located on the 40th floor just two weeks before..

We had 100 refrigerated trailers lined up in the streets for the victims and their remains. My dad and the NJ Aviation Army Guard we're on alert that morning and everything was in chaos and the people and good citizens were scared to death. I was fourteen years old at the time of the attack. At 0930 I told my friends in the locker room to leave school and roll out and run home to make a rally point with our families. I ran from school and flew home as fast as I could to be with my mom and dad and my family. I wasn't really scared but I was more concerned about being prepared for anything. The princeton and central area of New Jersey was shut down and the only things moving were Black Hawks and Soldier's from FT Dix..

It didn't hit me till my friend called me and said, hey Night, what about joshua? The family, Gary and Judy are going nuts. It doesn't look good. Joshua never made it home..The FBI found Joshua's secruity and credit cards in perfect condition. They ID joshua's remains from 30lbs of flesh they found through DNA..

iT'S not about Muslims or a mosque. "It's about our people" who were going about their business that day as free Americans and who were killed for it in the worst way imaginable. Americans don't care about anyones religion or what faith they are we only care about doing what's right in this world. Can we build ST Patricks Cathedral in Mecca? no my friends we can not. Sharia Law is nasty and I refuse to learn about Islam and or " Submit " or bow down to any religious fanatics who's sole purpose in life is to make us conform to their crazy religious ideology and make us pay for being Americans..

It's not about the muslim mosque. It's about my people and the loved ones we lost.
I stopped being a kid that day and turned to

Loyalty-Duty-Respect-Selfless-Service-Honor-Intregrity- and Personal Courage..

Night

[Richard]

Yet more proof that it is easier to grow older than wiser.

NXI = (Fr + Hr) - (O + R + Ts)

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

[T-Rock]

Although their goals are the same, the Ikhwan is a little more discreet, while Hizb ut-Tahrir is in your face. Doesn't Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf look animated at this Hizb ut-Tahrir conference...

> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2007/12/2...ri%E2%80%99ah/

> http://www.hizb-america.org/multimed...onference-2009

> http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2010/08/o...ound-zero.html

Nothing to see here.....move along...

[Nightflyer]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Although their goals are the same, the Ikhwan is a little more discreet, while Hizb ut-Tahrir is in your face. Doesn't Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf look animated at this Hizb ut-Tahrir conference...

> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2007/12/2...ri%E2%80%99ah/

> http://www.hizb-america.org/multimed...onference-2009

> http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2010/08/o...ound-zero.html

Nothing to see here.....move along...

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Although their goals are the same, the Ikhwan is a little more discreet, while Hizb ut-Tahrir is in your face. Doesn't Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf look animated at this Hizb ut-Tahrir conference...

> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2007/12/2...ri%E2%80%99ah/

> http://www.hizb-america.org/multimed...onference-2009

> http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2010/08/o...ound-zero.html

Nothing to see here.....move along...

Warrior Mentor-

Yes, it's true. But. No fear. The Unions won't or can't drive on. lol. Not going to happen. just saying. Not at a Ground Zero, New York.

Night

[T-Rock]

Warrior Mentor-

you lost me I may be able to show you how to turn some wrenches though

If you are refering to me as WM, please don't - I'm not qualified, just a guest in someone elses house

[greenberetTFS]

Obama supports mosque at Ground Zero

WASHINGTON - After skirting the controversy for weeks, President Barack Obama is weighing in forcefully on the mosque near ground zero, saying a nation built on religious freedom must allow it.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama told an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

The White House had not previously taken a stand on the mosque, which would be part of a $100 million Islamic community center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001. Press secretary Robert Gibbs had insisted it was a local matter.

It was already much more than that, sparking debate around the country as top Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich announced their opposition. So did the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights group.

Obama elevated it to a presidential issue Friday without equivocation.

While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was indeed "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to apply American values.

Harkening back to earlier times when the building of synagogues or Catholic churches also met with opposition, Obama said: "Time and again, the American people have demonstrated that we can work through these issues, and stay true to our core values and emerge stronger for it. So it must be and will be today."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has been a strong supporter of the mosque, welcomed Obama's words as a "clarion defense of the freedom of religion."

But some Republicans were quick to pounce.

"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero."

Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that his words would not only make headlines in the U.S. but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and the over 100 guests at Friday's dinner in the State Dining Room included ambassadors and officials from numerous nations where Islam is observed, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.

Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect of a mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of those killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks.


Big Teddy

[T-Rock]

While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was indeed "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to apply American values.

Can I get an "amen" for some good ole Jefferson values..

During the Ramadanadingdong dinner, the POTUS pointed out one truth that most Americans seem to forget. It deserves a little extra special scrutiny ,, the POTUS said that Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America. "The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan — making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago."

My big ole hairy Butt how disingenuous could this man be…what he didn’t explain was why we have a United States Navy and Marine Corps…

The earliest merging of Islam into 'the American story' was to punish the Islamists for their banditry and extortion (Jizya). Good thing Jefferson had a complete understanding of Jihad and the Qur’an, and opted not to pay the Jizya…

I don’t know who this youtube Mr. Patriot is, but I like his video, it’s short & sweet
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21HcGZ4iXiI

“From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli” OoRah!

[dadof18x'er]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Can I get an "amen" for some good ole Jefferson values..

During the Ramadanadingdong dinner, the POTUS pointed out one truth that most Americans seem to forget. It deserves a little extra special scrutiny ,, the POTUS said that Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America. "The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan — making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago."

My big ole hairy Butt how disingenuous could this man be…what he didn’t explain was why we have a United States Navy and Marine Corps…

The earliest merging of Islam into 'the American story' was to punish the Islamists for their banditry and extortion (Jizya). Good thing Jefferson had a complete understanding of Jihad and the Qur’an, and opted not to pay the Jizya…


I don’t know who this youtube Mr. Patriot is, but I like his video, it’s short & sweet
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21HcGZ4iXiI

“From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli” OoRah!

now the Fed is footing the travel bill for the imam to promote all this....where's it going to end? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz0wdreZ2DL

[Nightflyer]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

I may be able to show you how to turn some wrenches though

If you are refering to me as WM, please don't - I'm not qualified, just a guest in someone elses house

Yes Sir, I would find it hard to belive that the various unions ie; cops, fireman and the guys that turn a wrench would support the building of the mosque at ground zero. No freaking Way! and now I learn from dadof18xer that we're footing the bill for the imam to go on a world tour to promote this?? How can our leadership be so blind? Im against it. Plain and simple. It's just wrong. I carry on.


Night

[Richard]

This type of activity (and many others) has been a focus of the DoS since it took over these programs from the former USIA on 1 October 1999.

Here's the program:

Bureau of International Information Programs

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120948.pdf

Here's the former US Information Agency site:

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/usia/

A little research can foster a broader perspective on a few of these matters - whether one chooses to agree with it or not.

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

[Gypsy]

I can't help but wonder when this Country will tire of kissing Muslim ass.

[T-Rock]

o where right now is Rauf? Still in Malaysia? Sipping tea with who-knows-whom in the Middle East? Jetting between Southeast Asia and the Gulf at U.S. taxpayer expense? And while he’s on these travels, what’s going on with the web site of his Cordoba Initiative? Last week, after someone in his Malaysia office referred all questions back to his office in New York, the phone number and address of his office in Malaysia quietly vanished from the Cordoba web site. Roughly around the same time, as Anne Bayefsky noticed and explained in a Pajamas Media post this week, Rauf’s Cordoba Initiative web site also erased a photo showing Rauf meeting in Malaysia a while back with an Iranian official, Mohammad Javad Larijani

Thanks to the blogs for doing the work the leftist MSM wont do, you can read the rest here:

Creeping Sharia > http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...ging-its-name/

Jawa Report > http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Free Republic > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne.../posts?page=11

[LarryW]

(fm Big Teddy) Obama supports mosque at Ground Zero

The Kenyon will say/do anything to make the mid-term election about anything except him...

"It's not Obamacar/care, it's Freedom of Religion the GOP hates!"

"It's not illegal immigration, it's the Latinos the GOP hates!"

"It's not the failed economy, it's poor people the GOP hates!"

(It doesn't end...Doctor Spin came from Chicago.)

[Serpent6x6]

"Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else."

Common sense isn't very common.