Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[EricV]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

Yeah, and I think Trump is just a "Dead cat bounce." Once he's out we'll end up at sometime with a Dem Pres and both houses of Congress and that will result in end of some toys.

Palmetto has a sale going on for 30 rounders; gettem while you can.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/d-h-...zine-8416.html

[doctom54]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

I would disagree to some extent. It is true President Trump is NOT a gun guy. However, his son Donald Trump Jr is (as much as a New Yorker can be). I read this that he didn't think the bump stock thing important. He has tried to do what he said during the campaign (unlike all politicians) and he says he supports the 2nd Amendment.
On the first part the RINOs (in Particular Ryan and McConnell) did NOTHING for the 2nd Amendment or much of anything else when they had the House
Senate and WH.
I agree. Hard times are coming.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

I agree. I don't think Donald Trump Jr's pro-2nd Amendment influence is enough to overcome any political advantage POTUS can gain by signing off on further infringements. Unless, POTUS can forsee what this will cost him at the ballot box next year.

[(1VB)compforce]

Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce

Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

Since they like dealing the many cuts, I would not be surprised to see them float universal background checks as a piece of barter on the wall table because, you know, "common sense." Most inside the beltway don't appreciate the pinnacle of individual liberty that is represented by ownership of private property, and the right to its disposition; whether in trade with another free person, in personal commerce, or gifting.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Since they like dealing the many cuts, I would not be surprised to see them float universal background checks as a piece of barter on the wall table because, you know, "common sense." Most inside the beltway don't appreciate the pinnacle of individual liberty that is represented by ownership of private property, and the right to its disposition; whether in trade with another free person, in personal commerce, or gifting.

Background checks are pointless if they are not allowing/mandating reporting of high risk individuals - the school shooting in Florida is a prime example of why demanding background checks is disingenuous and just a power grab and a big step forward towards draconian laws.

[The Reaper]

So far, there does not appear to be any rush to buy rifles, pistols, mags, receivers, etc. Recent gun shows have been relatively subdued.

I would say that this is likely due to one of the following reasons:

1. People are trusting that the Repubs in the Senate and the POTUS (and eventually SCOTUS) will not allow such restrictive and Constitutionally prohibited legislation to be made law. I think this is a bad assumption, especially when they need bargaining chips with the House. I had to have a serious talk with my son about how restrictive the previous 1994 AWB was and how it changed the pricing and availability of firearms, and it had a sunset clause.

Or....

2. After years of stockpiling, particularly under the previous POTUS / gun salesman of the century, people are finally saturated with what they believe is a lifetime supply of firearms, accessories, and ammo. Maybe the gun safes are finally all full.

Or....

3. The majority of the American people want this sort of legislation passed.

It will be interesting to see how busy the SHOT Show is next week.

TR

[cat in the hat]

Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce

Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

The left will trade gun control for a fully funded border wall that stretches from pacific to gulf.
Then hold up funding in the courts indefinitely

[Ret10Echo]

I would expect a "soft" attack on 2nd Amendment rights. This will be in the standard mode of regulatory or policy changes by the various agencies and those private corporations that can circumvent the legislative and judicial processes.

Expectation:

1. Online ammunition sales end or are, at best, severely limited.

2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

3. Information and advertising related to those positions and opinions that support the exercise of the 2nd Amendment.

This is consistent with prior administrations where rule by fiat or slow death of regulation occur without open, public debate.


But I'm an optimist

[lindy]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

I would expect a "soft" attack on 2nd Amendment rights. This will be in the standard mode of regulatory or policy changes by the various agencies and those private corporations that can circumvent the legislative and judicial processes.

Expectation:

1. Online ammunition sales end or are, at best, severely limited.

2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

3. Information and advertising related to those positions and opinions that support the exercise of the 2nd Amendment.

This is consistent with prior administrations where rule by fiat or slow death of regulation occur without open, public debate.


But I'm an optimist

I expect DiFi’s idea will be field tested here in MD first.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/16/...-like-dickens/

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by lindy

I expect DiFi’s idea will be field tested here in MD first.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/16/...-like-dickens/

Potentially. The legislative culture is correct but CA, NY and NJ are even more ridiculous.

A bumper sticker on 495... "Bring back Democracy, Elect more Democrats"

That's the mentality.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

I hear anecdotally from a few small-shop FFLs that some firms are still taking the Opn CHOKE POINT view on processing online firearm transactions, even without the Guv extortion of "OK, don't play with us, it would be a shame if you got audited." So small shops are left with no way for the customer to pay using plastic for that nice custom job they want done, or the parts list of stuff they want the shop owner to order for 'em. I'm a cash guy but it is a royal PITA to the shop owner.

Just a few data points; but the mentality is still "out there" in the virtue-signalling portion of the financial sector.

[35NCO]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/5103

NFA tax increases ($500.00) for buyers and sellers....

Rifle cartridge pistols brought into NFA.

Be aware there are low flyers in there that may not be noticed until it's too late.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by 35NCO

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/5103

NFA tax increases ($500.00) for buyers and sellers....

Rifle cartridge pistols brought into NFA.

Be aware there are low flyers in there that may not be noticed until it's too late.

BOHICA !

[Badger52]

Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.”

And dealer FFL fees ^ by factor of 5.

I think also that one of the collateral goals is to generate so many of these things that some of the partially obscured up-in-the-clouds stuff will skate by in the back & forth of bi-partisanship. The bill, like many, is really titled "The Attempt to Destroy the Firearms Industry & Create a Market Only for Those Who Can Afford a Ferrari 250GTB Act."

I'm channeling Claire Wolfe again - is it time?