11-21-2016, 10:26
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I predict a bad four years for gun/ammo sales.  |
Lol, I quote myself! Someone at Foxnews has been reading here............  Remember who said it first.
barry soetoro, the greatest gun salemen in the history of the world. (Well, much credit goes to the socialists and the Clintons too)
Trump's pro-Second Amendment platform could end gun sales boom
Brooke Singman
By Brooke Singman
·Published November 21, 2016
· FoxNews.com
President-elect Donald Trump is expected to push to relax gun laws when he takes office, but significant changes in the firearms industry began as soon as he was elected – and some put the law of unintended consequences squarely in the cross hairs.
For instance, while Trump’s unapologetic pro-Second Amendment stance may be good for gun owners, it has already dealt a blow to manufacturers, who enjoyed record sales throughout President Obama’s eight years in office. Stocks in companies like Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Co. plunged on Nov. 9, and experts say it is because Trump’s election erased fears that guns would become harder to get.
“A lot of people were buying guns simply because they were worried Hillary Clinton’s regulations would make it more costly and more difficult to buy guns, and people are not going to feel quite the need to go out and buy guns now,” Crime Prevention Research Center President John Lott told FoxNews.com. “I think the stock market is a pretty good predictor of what’s going to happen, and the fact that you see drops in stock prices by almost 20 percentage points –I think that’s pretty significant.”
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ales-boom.html
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11-21-2016, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Lol, I quote myself! Someone at Foxnews has been reading here............ Remember who said it first.
barry soetoro, the greatest gun salemen in the history of the world. (Well, much credit goes to the socialists and the Clintons too) |
Does this mean we can anticipate lower prices?
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11-21-2016, 11:30
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Doc, the Boss may be along shortly but...until then...let me share some good news for a change...
Supply...
meet demand...
Do the math !
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11-22-2016, 08:53
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Doc, the Boss may be along shortly but...until then...let me share some good news for a change...
Supply...
meet demand...
Do the math !
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(Sometimes I wonder.........  )
Yes Doc, as tonyz stated the "demand" will drop significantly when President Trump takes office.
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11-22-2016, 08:57
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(Sometimes I wonder......... )
Yes Doc, as tonyz stated the "demand" will drop significantly when President Trump takes office. |
While increase in demand will almost always lead to increase in price, decrease in demand does not always lead to drop in price.
I can see the price gouging on ammunition falling away - I'm just not so sure the price of firearms will be heavily impacted.
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11-22-2016, 08:59
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While increase in demand will almost always lead to increase in price, decrease in demand does not always lead to drop in price.
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For the everyday pieces, it will drop. Ammo will also drop, unless, unless President Trump decides to make isis extinct......
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11-22-2016, 09:16
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For the everyday pieces, it will drop. Ammo will also drop, unless, unless President Trump decides to make isis extinct...... |
Or there becomes a need for deplorable people to resupply in order to keep the progressive protestors from getting out of hand.
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11-22-2016, 10:15
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It's been a while
I have not shopped in Wally World in a while. However, the last time I was there I vividly recall seeing very little ammo. That wasn't the case earlier today. Had to drop by a buddy off to get his tires rotated. This is how the shelves looked today.
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11-22-2016, 10:21
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I have not shopped in Wally World in a while. However, the last time I was there I vividly recall seeing very little ammo. That wasn't the case earlier today. Had to drop by a buddy off to get his tires rotated. This is how the shelves looked today.
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Looking forward to the day when Wally World and other stores has so much .22 LR that there are no restrictions on quantity purchased.
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11-22-2016, 12:49
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I have not shopped in Wally World in a while. However, the last time I was there I vividly recall seeing very little ammo. That wasn't the case earlier today. Had to drop by a buddy off to get his tires rotated. This is how the shelves looked today.
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same with PSA. FGMM .308 175 gr for $19.99 with free shipping is a steal and the stock normally gone within hours. It's been days and it's not sold out yet
...sumthin aint right 
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11-22-2016, 13:06
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In the deepest part of the ammo famine our Wally World restricted .22lr sales because a couple or guys would show up before dawn, during stocking time, and buy it all up and then sell it at the swap meet on the weekend. It's still not on the shelf, though. I don't know if you can request it from behind the counter. My wife has a supplier through her shooting club so we're fine.
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11-22-2016, 15:49
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My observation from the local gun show last Sunday was that ammo prices came up before the election maybe 15% and have dropped very little so far. The online dealers appear to be using Black Friday as an excuse to eliminate some of their overstockage of mags and ARs / components.
Not to say that specific calibers will not experience price cuts or increases independently. After all, ammunition is made from several different commodity items, and I suspect that lead, copper, brass, powder, and primers will continue to ebb and flow as supply and demand dictate.
Personally, I do not believe that I paid excessively for my ammo and I will continue to buy when prices are favorable.
I also consider the difference in pricing between loaded ammunition, and the cost (and time) to hand load. Generally, premium rounds are the most cost effective to reload. At some point, ball ammo is so inexpensive that I can barely buy the components for the cost of a loaded round. In those cases, unless I want to make something different, I buy the ammo rather than reloading it.
I have learned my lesson from this and previous events and will maintain a constant supply of ammo, if not add to it.
Hopefully, everyone has adequate stores to survive a couple of weeks without needing to run to the store. For the perishables you have acquired, remember to rotate stocks and keep track of expiration dates. Store your food properly to ensure a long life free from bugs and other vermin that would contaminate your food. Also be aware that expiration dates are based on a number of factors, some of which are under your control and some which are not. Delicate foods (especially those with fats or oils), and prescription meds benefit from cool dark storage, and most drugs are good well past their marked expiration dates. The few that do deteriorate rapidly can quickly be found with an internet search. Having said that, I am not a pharmacist and you choose to use meds of any kind at your own risk. Gasoline and many other petroleum products, has a very short service life, particularly gasoline with ethanol added. In most cases, rotation is recommended every few months, that can be extended a year or more with the addition of fuel preservatives to pure gasoline without ethanol. Or you could just rotate your storage into your vehicles every 60-90 days or so. Small engines and boat motors suffer greatly from people using old/bad gas. You leave it in the tank over the seasons at the peril of the life of your engine.
I hope this thread has been helpful to you.
For those who live in areas where violence has broken out, I am glad that the trouble has not been worse and I will hope for your continued safety.
Thank all of the members of this board who voted. This election was a very near run thing. A few thousand votes here or there and we could have been awaiting Phase II of the destruction of the United States. As it is, we will have to wait and see, but I feel much better about things than I would have had the hag won.
All the best.
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11-23-2016, 00:40
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I have learned my lesson from this and previous events and will maintain a constant supply of ammo, if not add to it.
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+1 sir. We've seen these cycles before.
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Or you could just rotate your storage into your vehicles every 60-90 days or so. Small engines and boat motors suffer greatly from people using old/bad gas. You leave it in the tank over the seasons at the peril of the life of your engine.
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A trusted small-engine/implement shop nearby has been educating their customers for some time on the false economy of not opening the wallet to the extra pennies involved in taking these steps, especially when people winterize their stuff or move from mowers to snow blowers. He's told me it's not where he makes his money anyway so he'd frankly not be presented with the proverbial "won't start" service tag when spring or the first snow comes. (As an aside, the biz is a father passed down to son being taught to grand-son operation, all solid folks; a fine & rare enough thing to see in the modern small-business climate.)
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Thank all of the members of this board who voted. This election was a very near run thing. A few thousand votes here or there and we could have been awaiting Phase II of the destruction of the United States.
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True enough. I would add thanks to those who espoused completely abstaining from the vote and/or advocating "burn it all down" but did it anyway & just don't want to admit around the town coffee shop that the action didn't equal their rhetoric. Perhaps bought a bit more time; you did alright, so go enjoy your coffee.
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11-23-2016, 02:45
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Gasoline and many other petroleum products, has a very short service life, particularly gasoline with ethanol added. In most cases, rotation is recommended every few months, that can be extended a year or more with the addition of fuel preservatives to pure gasoline without ethanol. Or you could just rotate your storage into your vehicles every 60-90 days or so. Small engines and boat motors suffer greatly from people using old/bad gas. You leave it in the tank over the seasons at the peril of the life of your engine.
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Just wanted to post a couple helpful links regarding ethanol-free gasoline. I've used this site for a while and with the rare exception, it is accurate.
http://pure-gas.org/
http://www.buyrealgas.com/
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11-23-2016, 04:08
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Significant ammo sales in my inbox this morning.
Think...dollar cost averaging - this is opportunity !
Be prepared and Happy Thanksgiving !
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