BREAKING: Attack on Dallas PD, 3 dead, 8 wounded

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by JGC2

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

Quick note on open carry vs. legal carry. It is also my opinion that New York, California, Florida, Illinois and South Carolina are in gross violation of the 2nd Amendment by distinguishing between the two. Carry of any kind = legal carry because of Paslode's signature block and the key phrase "shall not be infringed."

Agreed. Don't want to derail the topic and jump into a 2A thread but yes the definition between right to bear arms and the right to possess arms should be universally applied and accepted. The 2A is quite clear and should not be as confusing as law makers make it out to be. "Shall not be infringed" is used only once and the intent was clear.

I support anyone and everyone who wants to be armed anywhere; concealed or otherwise. If they endanger me, my friends or family, or the general public at large...well, that's where I step up and try to make it right. Use a gun to commit a crime hopefully it's the last thing you do.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by JGC2

Tracking. To take it one step further, this is the reason citizens should have unabated access to all forms of weapons that are available to the State or in common use by criminals and terrorists.

I agree. That was the intent of 2A. Why were the Redcoats on the march to Concord? To capture or destroy the heavy weapons that were stored there. To the leftest inane question, "Should citizens be allowed to own machine guns?" Or tanks, or rocket launchers, the answer is yes. It would take a rather large militia to own a tank, as was the case in the 18th century to own cannons. The same is true with all large crew-served weapons. But, had they not be available to Gen. Washington's army, we'd all be speaking English today.

Pat

[Old Dog New Trick]

JGC2,

I agree we should debate the use of robotic bomb disposal device to end a standoff.

I don't think it should have come to that. Once he's contained you can order pizza and wait. Wait for days if need be. Jimmy Johns for lunch and Dominos for dinner.

On the other side the police wanted to end it before anyone else was hurt or killed and using the robot to determine if he had IEDs probably made sense.

All day I've gotten a kick out of listening to Chief Brown in his Texas drawl say we used "da bomb" to kill him. I'm sure in hindsight it would have been better to say the Bomb Technician used a robotic disposal machine to investigate the allegation that an explosive device was present and when was was suspected it was detonated, killing the suspect.

I agree that using things like an AT-4 or a Hellfire to end a police situation is still a bit over the top. Not against using a .50-cal Barret to punch through concrete to stop a barricaded subject.

[Divemaster]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Not against using a .50-cal Barret to punch through concrete to stop a barricaded subject.

A Dallas PD sniper did just that last year, through armored glass I believe, to take out the scat container who attacked their police station.

[Divemaster]

Here's the cool thing about using a bomb to kill the shooter:

PID of the SOB is through DNA.

[Combat Diver]

If one compares the reaction of the Police to a active shooter in Orlando and Dallas, Dallas kept the pressure up on the shooter.


CD

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Had a friend here in Phoenix police dept tell me that assholes are calling 911 shouting black lives matter or requesting cops and when they show up people are there waiting to yell at them.

... or worse.

A man who called 911 to report a car break-in Friday ambushed a south Georgia police officer dispatched to the scene, sparking a shootout in which both the officer and suspect were wounded, authorities said. Both are expected to survive.

The shooting in Valdosta, just north of the Georgia-Florida state line, happened hours after five police officers were killed Thursday night in an ambush in Dallas. Despite saying the officer was lured to the scene by the gunman, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said there was no immediate evidence that the shootings were related.

...

Officer Randall Hancock was shot multiple times as he responded to a 911 call about a car break-in outside the Three Oaks Apartments just after 8 a.m. Friday, Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress said at a news conference.

"The officer called out on the radio screaming for assistance," Childress said, and officers from multiple law enforcement agencies swarmed the apartment complex.

The GBI later identified the suspected gunman as 22-year-old Stephen Paul Beck and said it was Beck who also placed the 911 call. Both Childress and Dutton described Beck as an Asian male. Charges against Beck were pending Friday as he was being treated at a Florida hospital, Dutton said.

Dutton said one gunshot hit the officer in the abdomen, just below his protective vest. Other shots hit Hancock's vest. The officer, who is white, fired back and wounded the suspect.

Source.

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by Combat Diver

If one compares the reaction of the Police to a active shooter in Orlando and Dallas, Dallas kept the pressure up on the shooter.


CD

Dallas PD seems to have done just that but Orlando PD was dealing with different circumstances ....so red delicious apples to granny smith apples.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Five-O

Dallas PD seems to have done just that but Orlando PD was dealing with different circumstances ....so red delicious apples to granny smith apples.

Yeah, it will "always" be a different reaction when its your life on the line and not someone else's.

That's where the we, certain military units and the LEO's differ. The lives of others are more important than our own, we accept that, it's our job.

My point being, we would have "never" waited five hours while folks are being shot, unless we were "ordered" to stand down. Like being ordered to stand down by our socialist/muslim masters. Benghazi comes to mind.

[Team Sergeant]

Little did these morons know what was waiting for them if someone drew a weapon on the police................. to be a sniper again. Maybe I should join Sheriff Joe's possee......






Agitators hurl rocks at Phoenix police, chant ‘we should shoot you’
JULY 9, 2016
BY KYLE OLSON

gitators participating in a “Black Lives Matter” peaceful anti-police protest in Phoenix Friday ended it by throwing rocks at officers and threatening to kill them.


http://www.theamericanmirror.com/agi...e-chant-shoot/

[Utah Bob]

All I know is when a police EOD robot comes up to you and says, "Pull my finger", it's a trick.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

I'll just put this here.

[GratefulCitizen]

There seem to be certain communities or sections of communities in this country where the police are not welcomed.
The solution is simple: grant the people their wish and don't police those communities.

It may not be long before we see a return to walled cities (or the modern equivalent).

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

There seem to be certain communities or sections of communities in this country where the police are not welcomed.
The solution is simple: grant the people their wish and don't police those communities.

It may not be long before we see a return to walled cities (or the modern equivalent).

But that would equate to segregation.........

[Divemaster]

Has anyone else noticed that CNN's around the clock coverage of Dallas lasted only a fraction of the time their coverage of everything from Ferguson to Orlando? Gee, I wonder why?