12-11-2015, 04:39
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In a survey, U.S. commandos say no to women in special ops jobs
In a survey, U.S. commandos say no to women in special ops jobs
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/loca...433827108.html
"WASHINGTON - The men in the U.S. military's most dangerous jobs care little about political correctness or gender equality. And they have a message for their political leadership.
When they are fighting in the shadows or bleeding on the battlefield, women have no place on their teams.
In blunt and, at times, profanity-laced answers to a voluntary survey conducted by the Rand Corp., more than 7,600 of America's special operations forces spoke with nearly one voice. Allowing women to serve in Navy SEAL, Army Delta or other commando units could hurt their effectiveness and lower the standards, and it may drive men away from the dangerous posts...."
85% oppose - "... In some cases people who feel most strongly about an issue are more inclined to answer surveys....".
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12-11-2015, 14:15
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De oppresso liber.
Last edited by xollie316; 02-03-2023 at 19:38.
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12-11-2015, 14:18
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Originally Posted by xollie316
Gates.
Star Course.
Log and rifle.
Team week.
Nasty Nick.
Gated events at IUW: 12 mile ruck, 5 mile run, pull-ups, rope climb, APFT.
SUT and all the joys it entails.
SERE.
Any MOS phase.
Sage. Static infil with a 130 lbs ruck and 10 hour movement to a G Base.
With all the potential for misery, injury, mental weakness, VW, and peer selection it is highly HIGHLY unlikely we will see any massive changes any time soon.
Doesn't make it right, that's for damned sure. So long as they don't try to re-write the Ballad of the Green Berets to be politically correct...
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That's what the Rangers thought.
Someone will be ordered to pass them.
TR
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De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
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12-11-2015, 14:19
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^^^^^ Yep.
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12-11-2015, 15:13
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"STANDARDS"
I hear the word "standards" used a lot lately...
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12-11-2015, 15:58
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Originally Posted by xollie316
Nasty Nick.
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My mother could do that O-course.
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12-11-2015, 19:48
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That's what the Rangers thought.
Someone will be ordered to pass them.
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My thoughts are 50/50.
All depends on who gets elected.
It is going to have to be someone special in order to swing the "fundamental transformation" back in the direction of common sense across the board.
If it is a Democ"rat", then you can take the order to the bank. Most likely the same result with an establishment rebublican.
The only hope is a Conservative.........or maybe Trump, who has said that he would support it if Military commanders advised him that it would have some benefit........
As we have seen, our leaders want their picture hung up on the fridge so........the regime change could be a positive or negative thing for this whole ordeal.
My .02
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12-12-2015, 08:00
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CCIR for females to Congress and DoD is any incident which is negative. That incident will then have to be proven to be needed in combat.
You will see lots of waivers and exceptions granted and recycle/reliefs overturned...
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12-12-2015, 08:35
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CCIR for females to Congress and DoD is any incident which is negative. That incident will then have to be proven to be needed in combat.
You will see lots of waivers and exceptions granted and recycle/reliefs overturned...
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Which basically negates all standards.
So it begins........Special rules for Special people.
Unless of course you are a male.
This entire administration and its minions can eatadik.
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12-12-2015, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Mills
Which basically negates all standards.
So it begins........Special rules for Special people.
Unless of course you are a male.
This entire administration and its minions can eatadik.
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The standards will be an elevator for women. OERs and NCOERs will be written, enough said.
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12-13-2015, 08:25
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seriously...
I really wish we would all stop using the words :standards".
That word no longer has any bearing on the situation.
Women will be successful. Women will be "cutting edge warriors"
...or every one of you jokers that don't have a retirement packet in the works are fucking fired.
Failure isn't "their" fault. You can't hold them accountable because of the gender they may or may not identify with.
It is the fault of you hyper-masculine misogynists that are stuck to your guns, your religion, and your antipathy to those that don't share your "Y" chromosome.
Shame on you all...
...I thought you were better than this.
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12-13-2015, 08:51
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seriously...
I really wish we would all stop using the words :standards".
That word no longer has any bearing on the situation.
Women will be successful. Women will be "cutting edge warriors"
...or every one of you jokers that don't have a retirement packet in the works are fucking fired.
Failure isn't "their" fault. You can't hold them accountable because of the gender they may or may not identify with.
It is the fault of you hyper-masculine misogynists that are stuck to your guns, your religion, and your antipathy to those that don't share your "Y" chromosome.
Shame on you all...
...I thought you were better than this.
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Billy - You're channeling again. We need get a ruck on your back, a rifle in your hands, and send you to the field for a month (while that's still a relatively effective treatment); otherwise, some PC sycophant is going to deny your retirement because you're obviously "the right man to make this (abortion) succeed". 
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12-13-2015, 08:57
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Sadly enough...the term "standards" is a word we are going to start referring to as something we had "back in the day."
Pathetic really....
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12-13-2015, 10:13
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We don't need no stinkin' standards, ethnics, or morals...the courage to stand up for doing something right is no longer a requirement of the job.
All's the government and country needs to do is keep unemployment high thus providing a steady pool of low wages and a desperate population. Hard to justify having standards when so many unqualified candidates are applying for limited jobs.
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12-13-2015, 11:51
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The most valuable target will be the Peer Evals.
Eliminate the truth speakers and you can dictate the results.
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