War On Terror's Other Cost: Undeserved Anger At All Muslims - Page 7

Sigaba · 08-05-2010, 16:55

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Originally Posted by MK262

Perhaps you're just not paying attention?

Perhaps if you had read my post (as well as my previous posts on this topic) you'd realize that:

(a) you and I are in agreement, and
(b) the question I was posing was hypothetical and constructed to parallel the view point offered by other members of this BB.

The discussion over the nature of Islam arcs back years, across many forms and threads on this BB.

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Originally Posted by MK262

People often refer to Islam as an Islamo-facist ideology on this board. It's ironic that it is you that sounds like Hitler, though.

Also, you comparing Chef Penn to Hitler is, IMO, inappropriate for three reasons. First, if you were to take the time to read his posts as written you would find him a man worthy of your respect. Second, the vision of war he presents is quintessentially American. Third, the theory of land warfare that Penn references differs from the Nazi theory of land warfare in that his offers the opportunity for conflict resolution short of utter annihilation.

GratefulCitizen · 08-05-2010, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Richard

And such reigns the power of myth.

I was the FAO-DET CDR in the DAO at the AmEmb-Bonn in 1990-1991. The 'de facto' US Ambassador to Libya (who was not a career diplomat but an SES-level careerist from another department as we did not 'officially' recognize Libya diplomatically) was a close friend and an extremely busy man who spent much time in Switzerland and Malta in the performance of his duties.

Gadhaffi was fairly quiet publicly - but he held no real power and those wielding power under the political structure which actually controlled Libya was, to our dismay, a very actively engaged and disruptive force in North African and Mediterranean political matters.

"America, hell yeah!" felt better - our staunchest allies became leery and distrustful of our 'cowboy' diplomacy mentality - and our true enemies grew even more determined as they went further underground and became ever more difficult to identify, locate, and keep at bay.

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

Well I'm obviously at an informational disadvantage in this, and my primary tool of influence over foreign policy is rendered once every 4 years.

Considering the orginal context of my comment to Sigaba, and to help make better educated choices at the ballot box:
-In your professional opinion, how would you compare the effectiveness of foreign policy with regard to threats when Carter, Reagan, and Clinton are put next to each other?
-Would the effectiveness of the current administration be cause for recommending replacement?

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:02

MK262, make no mistake the previous post have fully expose where you loyalties lie, but you should rethink your argument, its hallow.

MK262 · 08-05-2010, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Penn

MK262, make no mistake the previous post have fully expose where you loyalties lie, but you should rethink your argument, its hallow.

Hallow how? Details please.

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:10

as for the ar site I have never been on it so the reference means nothing to me. BUT, if you are referencing moo of the musox downtown thats a different story. I am completely against the victory center being constructed down town.
Though I do understand that all the union construction crews will be using tolite paper with the quran printed on it. Should prove interesting, don't you think?

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:16

your argument s built around post # 85, Quotes from muslims whose ideology tells them to deceive non believers. Therefore, anything you post to a kafir like me, is discounted as untrue. So, in order to make your argument, you must address it from a point of departure which is true.

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:20

by the way, go back and correct you disrespectful post #91.

MK262 · 08-05-2010, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Penn

as for the ar site I have never been on it so the reference means nothing to me. BUT, if you are referencing moo of the musox downtown thats a different story. I am completely against the victory center being constructed down town.
Though I do understand that all the union construction crews will be using tolite paper with the quran printed on it. Should prove interesting, don't you think?

LOL. If people want to waste their money buying Korans to use as expensive toliet paper, that is their choice. It's a free country.

Same as it would be for some Satanist to buy a stack of bibles to take a shit on.

I'm personally an agnostic. I couldn't careless.

As for the Mosque, I don't have a problem with it. The Mosque that is to be built is 3 blocks away from ground zero. It isn't as if they are going to build it on the WTC site itself. They will be building on top of what is currently the old Burlington Coat Factory.

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:28

Your profile state you were an LEO, where was that and how long were you on the job?

MK262 · 08-05-2010, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Penn

Your profile state you were an LEO, where was that and how long were you on the job?

PERSEC.

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:30

this is not:how long were you on the job

MK262 · 08-05-2010, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Penn

this is not:how long were you on the job

With all due respect, how is that relevant in the context of our discussion?

Penn · 08-05-2010, 17:51

Base on this post, I have serious reservation that you were ever an LEO

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1) Saddam was never religious.... he only showed himself to be a muslim when it was politically necessary or convenient. Had he been interested in 72 virgins he wouldn't have been found hold up in a damn spider hole for god knows how long.

2) You totally disregarded the article I posted from the Army War College that specifically negates your views on 12er Shiism and Iran's supposed messianism. I suppose you're inclined to disagree, knowing your view of Islam and how you lump all muslims together in their outlook and thinking; I believe this view to be incorrect.

My instinct is we are natural enemies, you spend your time mining information for your cause, and thats OK. At some point if you are truly committed you'll cowboy up and be a responsible member here and respectfully support your position, not as the agnostic you wish to present, but as the believer you are, my call may be off, but not my gut.

MK262 · 08-05-2010, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Penn

Base on this post, I have serious reservation that you were ever an LEO

My instinct is we are natural enemies, you spend your time mining information for your cause, and thats OK. At some point if you are truly committed you'll cowboy up and be a responsible member here and respectfully support your position, not as the agnostic you wish to present, but as the believer you are, my call may be off, but not my gut.

LMAO.

I was indeed an LEO.

Long enough to put 3 strikers away for life and to ruin many a gangbanger's day.

From PM's I have received during this conversation, I've been informed that you suffered a tremendous loss on 9/11.

I'm sorry for that. I really am. You have my sympathies.

And it explains much of the hate and the anger. But the fact that I do not agree with you, does not make me your enemy. It just means my heart isn't filled with the hate that is in yours.

Penn · 08-05-2010, 18:14

I have read all your post, from your expressed sympathies for KIA's, to defensive sensibilities, and the epressed understanding of the islam, in a phrase, aggressively sensitive, with purpose. I like that to watch a road being constructed.

I am not, muslim ideology is the exact opposite of my entire belief system.