Bill of rights Re-write

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Greenhat
Che was a "professional". It would be a lot more embarassing to go at the hands of his sort than a competent amatuer.

Professional idealogue. He had an ND and shot himself in the cheek before the Bay of Pigs. He was an amatuer gunman, depsite DECADES of fighting. Piss poor training in Mexico.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Professional idealogue. He had an ND and shot himself in the cheek before the Bay of Pigs. He was an amatuer gunman, depsite DECADES of fighting. Piss poor training in Mexico.

GH: He's missing your point entirely, don't you think?

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
GH: He's missing your point entirely, don't you think?

I think he just illustrated my point. LMAO

[NousDefionsDoc]

I get the point.

[Roguish Lawyer]

I'm bumping this in case someone I invited to the board checks it out.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to responsibly keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. In the interest of public safety, you must demonstrate: training by a competent trainer, the ability to responsibly store, manipulate and fire the weapon.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Crew served weapons are allowed.

They require the same proficiency as the small arms you delineated, and must be stored in multiple homes of the "crew", the ammo must be stored separately as well. Three members is the minimum crew. The weapon may only be placed in a ready to (dry) fire configuration for maintenance or crew drill, and may only be loaded with live ammunition on a permitted and properly safed range under the control of Federal or Militia officers.

Explosive possession is already permitted and regulated, and would require the same restrictions as stated above. Storage is limited to military approved ammunition storage magazines.

States receive a portion of their Federal revenue allocation based on the number of weapons proficient militia members and units.

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The penalties for misuse or unsafe employment would be draconian, and there would likely be no second offenses. Big Boy's Toys, Big Boy Rules.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Standardized classes will be taught, a written and practical safety and operating test administered, and qualification fire conducted.

Military provides training and testing, and perhaps some subsidy of weapons, ammo, safe storage, and ranges. A graduated license would be issued, a Kalifornia lawyer would probably be on a Restricted "E License", permitted only to own Red Ryder BB guns, and an SF Weapons Daddy like LR1947 could have an "A License" to acquire whatever he could afford to buy and feed.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

No, the state has a record that I am allowed to buy and operate anything up to a certain level. They have no idea what I have actually bought, unless they agree to sell military property to me. There would be so many heavy weapons in private hands within 2 years that you could not recover them without unbelievable bloodshed, as our forefathers intended.

You have the appropriate license, like an OL or a pilot's license, you can buy anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want.

Those unwilling to go through the training and testing can continue to buy and carry the same civilian small arms they have to jump through hoops to buy today.

You want something that can obliterate my house from 5 miles away, I think you should be to operate it responsibly, or reinstate my right to lawfully pound the living snot out of any one of the people that I see every day who are demonstrating they are too stupid to live and are wasting perfectly good oxygen. You see how some people operate motor vehicles, another deadly weapon, admittedly usually short range and direct fire, you want to let them buy a long range, indirect fire weapon without any training?

How is that gun control (other than teaching people how to hit what they are aiming at)? Or are you looking for some lucrative lawsuits?

General questions for any who may be interested in reviving this discussion of an augmented Second Amendment.

• Who would establish and enforce the standards for proficiency?
• How would the records be kept? Who would keep them? Who would have access to the data? Could the data be used for studies on gun ownership and crime rates?
• How severe would the penalties be for the unlawful ownership and operation of weapons?
• What would be the mechanism and the agency of enforcement? (Who is going to go get the crew served weapon if the permits lapse?)
• If the armed forces were to perform the training, would a particular service would be in the lead?
• As training can be a combination of education and acculturation (indoctrination, if you like), what happens if people conducting the training sense something 'wrong' or 'off' about a person being trained (e.g. a want to be Rambo, or an airhead)?
• What would be the fee structure and time table for getting and staying certified? Would the fees be tax deductible?
• Would insurance be required?