Are we at war with Islam?

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by x-factor

It is a war of cultures, but its not a bilateral war. There's a whole spectrum of religious and political cultures at play. "With us or against us" is simplistic rhetoric that in almost every case is at best useless and at worst counterproductive, not a reasoned assessment of the situation.

Its perfectly possible for a Muslim to be both anti-US and anti-Islamist. In fact, studies suggest that is the majority opinion.

We need to relax and see the problem for what it is. The occasional inflammatory story not withstanding, we're along way from the fall of Western civilization and if we panic at the prospect we hasten the crisis and confuse our own efforts.

X,
I would agree if it were not for the current U.S. - Political Correctness attitude and the level of governmental support that it has.

Long way from a fall, but are we not being an enabler?

R10

[Pete]

Urban yute letting of some steam?

http://jp.dk/uknews/article1307044.ece

Ot maybe, just maybe someone from the Religion of Peace is a little POed at DK.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61399959&hl=en

The sound of one hand clapping is a severed head hitting the floor. Islam is at war with us. Aggression only requires one participant. The UN, Europe, political correctness, tollerance, and multi-culturalism guarantee the eventual ascendance of Islam over every society that fails to resist. X-factor - if you want to live on your knees in an Islamic society (because that's all you will be allowed to do), I suggest you emmigrate. As long as I live and breathe it won't happen here.

To Geert,

Verily, our religion will stay the same till the Day of Judgment. We are happy that there are people like you to expose themselves to the wrath of Allah. We are also happy because it makes us comfortable knowing that there are true enemies of Islaam as Allah has mentioned in the Qur’aan.

We are not interested in condemning this or condemning that, but we are interested in letting you know that Islaam will dominate all of Europe, including your hometown, and the Jizyah will be established upon your Country, leaving all of the disbelievers in humiliation until they come to Islaam. Let us remind that there are thousands of Muslims living near you; so always expect the unexpected.

Near the end of your film, you wrote,

For it is not up to me, but to Muslims themselves to tear out the hateful verses in the Qur’an.

This statement of yours proves a verse in the Qur’aan:


And never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their Millah (way of life/form of religion). (2:120)


So by Allah’s grace, He has shown us another practical example of a Kaafir (i.e., that would be you Geert) who will never be pleased with the Muslims until we follow their form of religion.


By Allah, the only thing that we will tear is your heart, the heart of democracy, and the heart of those who fight the Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) promises dominance, and so we too promise dominance. And how will you be O Geert, when Prophet Jesus returns to earth from the heavens and destroys Christianity and wages Jihaad against the world successfully?


That time is coming very soon.


You also said,


The Government insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you.

One can write volumes on this, but in short: Islaam doesn’t respect the disbelieving Governments.


You said,


Islam wants to rule, submit, and seeks to destroy our western civilization.

Correct.


Just as your civilization seeks to destroy ours, our civilization seeks to devastate yours. Take a guess as to when we’ll stop.


You wrote,


Now the Islamic ideology has to be defeated.

As long as this world exists, you can never destroy the Islaamic ideology; and our ideology is meant for expansion.


You wrote,


Stop Islamisization, Defend our Freedom.

We say: stop democracy, and defend your basic human rights.


But we don’t hate you for your freedoms as we don’t consider those freedoms. We hate you for your disbelief and defiance.


So keep warning, and we too will keep warning. Islaam denounces Democracy, Islaam denounces Christians and Jews, Islaam denounces the corruption of the disbelievers upon the earth, and Islaam is coming to crush the armies of disbelief and smash the false governments and religions of the world to bring humanity from darkness into light.


Although we hate you for the sake of Allah and pray for your destruction, we are happy that you made this film because no matter how negative the disbelievers try to portray Islaam, in the end, it is Islaam that spreads far and wide. The media in America did its best to portray Islaam as an evil religion after the 9/11 attacks, but just look to how many thousands of people accepted Islaam after the invasion. So Islaam will spread all over Europe, and we will win in the end and we will humiliate you in the end.


Congratulations Geert. Your movie has created more Mujaahideen amongst the Muslims.

(copy and paste, replace dot with ., admin please remove if this is not 'safe' enough) anonymousedotorg/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://revolution.muslimpad.com/2008/03/27/congratulations-geert-your-%e2%80%9cfitna%e2%80%9d-movie-has-created-more-mujaahideen-amongst-the-muslims/

I guess they really hate us

[3SoldierDad]

What they don't understand is that a nation with thousands of nuclear weapons won't ever go away quietly. Their dream of a world-wide caliphate is so illusory that it is both humorous and pathetic. America has taken down two nations and we were barely angry and hardly threatened. If Islam were to genuinely rise up against the West, I can imagine entire culpable Moslem cities disappearing. Islam has no civilians.

What strikes me most in the "Moslem" letter cited above is the cold resolve and callous intent to fulfill and accomplish Islam's malicious ends.

Thank you for posting this letter - It does strengthen my resolve and enmity toward this vile faith of hatred; against this global pathogen.

They love death and so they shall have it.

Indeed, they shall bruise our heal, but we shall crush their head.


Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

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[The Reaper]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344409,00.html

Tuesday, April 01, 2008

A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape.

A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

"Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain."

The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam's position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

Click here to watch the interview with Islamic lawyer Anjem Choudary.

"You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."

Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

"As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim."

[dennisw]

Originally posted by x-factor: American Muslims are going to have to put up with a certain amount of suspicion and with a certain amount of wariness (for example, federal surveillance of certain mosques, international money transactions, etc).

I believe we have the beginnings of the Rules of Engagement and the first one seems very reasonable and prudent. Any extra degree of suspicion or scrutiny will no doubt incur the wrath of the ACLU and other likeminded groups, but there seems no other way to approach the gathering storm. Activities like the one undertaken by the Trainer and constant vigilance appear to be the order of the day.

Original quote posted by The Reaper: You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."

Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

"As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim."

The current situation reminds me of a quote from one of the Marines in Generation Kill, "Never pet a burning dog." How can we coexist in any reasonable manner with someone who must have hatred for everything that is not Muslim? Are we trying to safely pet the perverbial burning dog?

[sg1987]

Originally Posted by 3SoldierDad

Thank you for posting this letter - It does strengthen my resolve and enmity toward this vile faith of hatred; against this global pathogen.

They love death and so they shall have it.

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HEAR HEAR!

[sg1987]

Whew....glad to know this

"Al Qaeda's Zawahiri: Militant Organization Doesn't Kill Innocents; Threatens Egypt "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345370,00.html

[3SoldierDad]

A movie and a conversion: Europe begins to resist?

By DANIEL PIPES

Some analysts of Islam in Western Europe argue that the continent cannot escape its Eurabian fate; that the trend lines of the past half-century will continue until Muslims become a majority population and Islamic law reigns.
I disagree, arguing that there is another route the continent might take, one of resistance to Islamification and a reassertion of traditional ways.
Indigenous Europeans - who make up 95 percent of the population - can insist on their historic customs and mores. Were they to do so, nothing would be in their way and no one could stop them.

Indeed, Europeans are visibly showing signs of impatience with creeping Shari'a. The legislation in France that prohibits hijabs from public school classrooms signals the reluctance to accept Islamic ways, as are related efforts to ban burkas, mosques and minarets. Throughout Western Europe, anti-immigrant parties are generally increasing in popularity.

That resistance took a new turn last week, with two dramatic events. First, on March 22, Pope Benedict XVI himself baptized, confirmed, and gave the Eucharist to Magdi Allam, 56, a prominent Egyptian-born Muslim long living in Italy, where he is a top editor at the Corriere della Sera newspaper and a well-known author. Allam took the middle name Cristiano. The ceremony converting him to the Catholic religion could not have been higher profile, occurring at a nighttime service at St. Peter's Basilica on the eve of Easter Sunday, with exhaustive coverage from the Vatican and many other TV stations.

Allam followed up his conversion with a stinging statement in which he argued that beyond "the phenomenon of Islamic extremism and terrorism that has appeared on a global level, the root of evil is inherent in an Islam that is physiologically violent and historically conflictive."

In other words, the problem is not just Islamism but Islam itself. One commentator, "Spengler" of Asia Times, goes so far as to say that Allam "presents an existential threat to Muslim life" because he "agrees with his former co-religionists in repudiating the degraded culture of the modern West, and offers them something quite different: a religion founded upon love."
Second, on March 27, Geert Wilders, 44, released his long-awaited, 15-minute film, Fitna, which consists of some of the most bellicose verses of the Koran, followed by actions in accord with those verses carried out by Islamists in recent years.

The obvious implication is that Islamists are simply acting in accord with their scriptures. In Allam's words, Wilders also argues that "the root of evil is inherent" in Islam.

UNLIKE ALLAM and Wilders, I do distinguish between Islam and Islamism, but I believe it imperative that their ideas get a fair hearing, without vituperation or punishment. An honest debate over Islam must take place. If Allam's conversion was a surprise and Wilders' film had a three-month run-up, in both cases, the aggressive, violent reactions that met prior criticisms of Islam did not take place.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Dutch police contacted imams to gauge reactions at the city's mosques and found, according to police spokesman Arnold Aben, "it's quieter than usual here today. Sort of like a holiday." In Pakistan, a rally against the film attracted only some dozens of protesters.

This relatively constrained reaction points to the fact that Muslim threats sufficed to enforce censorship. Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende denounced Fitna and, after 3.6 million visitors had viewed it on the British website LiveLeak.com, the company announced that "Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature... Liveleak has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers." (Two days later, however, LiveLeak again posted the film.) Three similarities bear noting: both Allam (author of a book titled Viva Israele) and Wilders (whose film emphasizes Muslim violence against Jews) stand up for Israel and the Jews; Muslim threats against their lives have forced both for years to live under state-provided round-the-clock police protection; and, more profoundly, the two share a passion for European civilization.

Indeed, Allam and Wilders may represent the vanguard of a Christian/liberal reassertion of European values. It is too soon to predict, but these staunch individuals could provide a crucial boost for those intent on maintaining the continent's historic identity.


Posted by Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

[Richard]

Guys,

Very good 6m35s video report on Battle For Hearts and Minds in today's New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/

Go to the front page, scroll down to videos and it is a featured video report of a former CIA officer now teaching at the USMA.

Richard

[Team Sergeant]

Why am I not surprised?





Survey: More Than 60 Percent of Arabs OK Violent Response to Western Interference
Friday, April 04, 2008

A new poll has found that more than 60 percent of Arabs believe violence is a permissible reaction to Western interference in a country, and 55 percent believed offensive words or behavior was another acceptable response, Qatar's Gulf Times reported.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, a British research and consulting firm, found that nearly half of all Arabs said they have met someone with extreme religious views, according to the Gulf Times. The survey was conducted between March 18 and 23 and included 940 respondents across the Arab world.

More than half the respondents believed that poor religious leadership caused the extremism — although 70 percent said the problem had been exaggerated, according to the report. Some 80 percent believed it provided an excuse for Western interference in Muslim countries.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346590,00.html

[BMT (RIP)]

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam

Contemporary Threat..Subject: Islam - A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF HOW IT WORKS


Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works(percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0% Australia -- Muslim 1.5% Canada -- Muslim 1.9% China -- Muslim 1%-2% Italy -- Muslim 1.5% Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2% Germany -- Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7% Spain -- Muslim 4% Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8% Philippines -- Muslim 5% Sweden -- Muslim 5% Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5% Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10% India -- Muslim 13.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 10% Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Palestine -- Muslim 99% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey -- Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

And we continue to cater and negotiate in a politically correct way so as not to "offend" our Muslim "brothers."

[Dad]

I have a friend who was telling about her brother's in laws who are Egyptian. Being Christians they were threatened and out of fear for their lives they immigrated to the US. The mother in law told my friend "America better wake up. You don't understand Muslims. You better quit letting them in because they will do the same thing here they did to us there in time," For thousands of years Egypt was their country too. No longer. How much longer will England be England or Netherlands be Dutch?

[3SoldierDad]

Originally Posted by Dad

I have a friend who was telling about her brother's in laws who are Egyptian. Being Christians they were threatened and out of fear for their lives they immigrated to the US. The mother in law told my friend "America better wake up. You don't understand Muslims. You better quit letting them in because they will do the same thing here they did to us there in time," For thousands of years Egypt was their country too. No longer. How much longer will England be England or Netherlands be Dutch?

My answer to the question of this thread...

Yes, we are at war with Islam...That includes the peaceful Muslims - Islam has no civilians.

At the appropriate time, I would be for the outlawing of Islam and mass deportations of all practicing Muslims. I don't care how impractical this may seem today.

There comes a time wihen we must cease playing footsie with this cancer.

The state needs to leave our businesses, education, healthcare, families and environment alone - The state needs to concentrate its efforts on protecting us from the nation's enemies - including, and especially, the global darkness of Islam.


Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

[Guy]

BMT:

Good info!

Stay safe.