Another reason why not to legalize pot

[tonyz]

The NARCAN posts piqued my interest to look a little deeper. Apologies for the thread drift but this is interesting. When you scroll down the number of agencies dispensing the stuff it might take some by surprise. It does help illustrate the extent of the illegal drug problem.

U.S. drug czar urges police to carry heroin overdose treatment

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-d...0LG0KK20140211

Law Enforcement Departments Carrying Naloxone

North Carolina is first & then the list is alphabetical by State

http://www.nchrc.org/law-enforcement...arry-naloxone/

[Golf1echo]

Here is a resource Colorado puts out: https://goodtoknowcolorado.com/

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by SF718

Okay Lego 18D......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee.../#b7c35ca5bc6d

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6895270.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/majority-...47.html?ref=gs

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165539/fi...marijuana.aspx

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...inues-to-rise/

http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/surveys-polls

Hey Lego 18D.... you are fucking beat. Unless of course, this is just all fake news.

Fascinating. Those are the same sources that said Hillary was going to be our next pResident and continue to insist that Obama has a 52% approval rating. After the last political cycle, I don't have a lot of confidence in the accuracy or impartiality of polls taken by entities with a stake in the game. YMMV.

[Peregrino]

Reality will be whatever falls out after it's put on ballots and the voters in the individual states decide, the decision is challenged in federal courts, and somebody forces it to the Supreme Court so they can weigh in on the 10th Amendment aspects. It ought to be interesting.

Personally, I'm not holding my breath. I'm largely indifferent to the outcome. I don't use the stuff, nor do I respect those who do use it recreationally. I do understand and support the legitimate medical uses; however, I'm also very skeptical of most "medicinal" users. I'm very supportive of employers using drug tests to screen workers and strongly feel that drug tests for anyone receiving public assistance should be mandatory. I also feel endangering others by operating motor vehicles or heavy equipment while under the influence should result in a felony conviction and serious prison time. Cause a death and face at least Murder 2. Other than that - people should be free to fuck up their lives as they see fit. Just don't expect me to support them or approve of their actions.

P.S. - The CDC has been so politicized that it has zero credibility when it comes to "hot button" social issues.

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by SF718

... now that is what we fight for. I may not care for your actions, just don't tread on me, my wife or my dogs. Some people may benefit medicinally. Some people just like to get fucked up... drive through your neighborhood on any given weekend (maybe look for lights in the woods if that is your geo-local) you will find under 21 persons drinking booze, smoking ciggs and smoking weed... OR doing more. Is cannabis the real issue? Is parenting the issue? Are lack of jobs the issue?

Marijuana is a plant. Coca is a plant. Opium is a plant. Peyote is a plant. People have issues, people like to escape... It is going to happen regardless of any law. However, just as opiods have a medicinal purpose, so does THC. It is positively affecting people. Smoking weed is is also positively affecting society. Take a hard look at your Bias'. You may just be outnumbered. I would have rather my asshole HARD DRINKING, Grandfather, Father, Mother, smoke a joint and pass out, Rather than them Drink uncontrollably and look at me with disdain and further (X)... you can imagine.

That's OK; I'm contemptuous of alcoholics too. As for my biases - they're the result of my life experiences. They serve me well and make separating the wheat from the chaff easier. As for being outnumbered - I'm at the point in my life where it isn't a big deal; NTM I've never cared for running with the herd anyway. It just makes it easier to tell who my real "brothers" are. They've got my back in spite of the odds.

Originally Posted by Peregrino

I'm strongly feel that drug tests for anyone receiving public assistance should be mandatory.

Think again!

https://thinkprogress.org/what-7-sta...05d#.j8n3ij9k0

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by SF718

I must step back and apologize for my lack of humility and possible perception that I was looking for a fight.
I love the team room. I was shining a seat in a staff gig for more time then i probably deserved. The only tangible lesson that I realized was that life IS better on the detachment. I think the type "a" bled out a little here, as well as some bad blood in my past. My apologies for the emotion attached to my feelings towards this debate.

Accepted. Sometimes it takes stepping back and reassessing to get the full picture of your operating environment. One nice thing about admin G-bases is the ability to negotiate a reset if you haven't totally screwed the pooch.

[scooter]

Originally Posted by SF718

Opinions are like A-holes....we all know the rest.

And you need some Wet wipes?

Is that it? Did I get it right?

It's always embarrassing when I get one wrong.

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by SF718

Lego medic...

I did the work dog... posted an enormous list of peer reviewed and other resources... So not only did i discredit the post, i countered it. But its cool that you are taking a side based on your bias's. that's the way shit works when one sticks to a side.

From everything you "seen" marijuana is a gateway drug... hummmmm
pretty strong argument dude. What did you see exactly... You are implying a claim to information/research... post it. Let me ask you this though... how old were you when you had your first beer/cigarette?? If you cannot provide any evidence that weed is gateway drug, then I would suggest you remove this point from any of your future arguments. You are just regurgitating right/conservative points that are completely unsubstantiated. I assume you are a right leaning voter but really have no idea why.

The original intent of the constitution? tell me... when was the last time you read the constitution? Or as most "average" people, you probably rely on your chosen elected official that you voted for just because they were republican, didn't do a day or an hour of research on the candidate or the candidates donors/interests, and rely and take blind faith that this candidates -personal interpretation- of the constitution aligns with what you think you believe. Then without further research, you are willing to attack and stick up for some obscure view of reality that you have no education or background in and in the end call your opponent a piece of shit liberal because of your busy schedule and intuitive knowledge of how the world works.. which is extremely reliable.

So lego medic. what is your real issue with THC? Do you have the same issue with ETOH? Tobacco? Have you taken any snapshot of how much money lobbyists from both fields influence policy makers? Maybe looking that deep is to complicated and liberal for you. Please, counter my postings, with peer reviewd research articles showing how marijunana is more damaging and costly than booze... i got all day mate.

So at the end of the day, you have no case, no numbers ,no facts. You are relying on right rhetoric and fear mongering. You have been manipulated by multi billion dollar corporations pushing a reefer madness propaganda agenda that is turning about 60 years old at this point. You are regurgitating right dialogue that marijuana is a gateway drug and it is not an opinion you formed for yourself nor can not provide any proof of.

So back the fuck off before you stand judgement on my argument. Bring more to the table before expressing your point.

Anecdotal evidence can be evidence. From what I have seen, States that legalize marijuana for "medical use" tend to quickly start trying to legalize for "recreational use". Sorry you were too stoned to read into that.

I see you didn't answer the second half of my comment and instead just resorted to ad hominem attacks about a perceived bias that I may or may not have. Attacking me by calling me "Lego Medic". Saying that I voted for people that I have no clue about.

You sir are a very silly man, that likes to argue and when called on your BS resorts to attacking the messenger. You've only attacked my post 3 times already after I wrote it 2 weeks ago.

Me thinks you are just trying to stir the "pot"

Have fun with that.

[cbtengr]

I am am sitting here 10' from the ashes of my recently deceased brother, he was 62 not all that old by today's standards. He gave up all drugs, booze and cigarettes 20 years ago but the 25 years before that he abused them all mercilessly. His body in last twenty years was aged beyond belief he was like a little man all bent over and crippled.

We all obviously have our own opinions on this matter, I do not have to have had my ass kicked by a a drunk or have seen anyone die of liver failure to have formed my opinion or bias. I saw my brother commit slow suicide the last 45 years. SF718 you don't have the market cornered when it comes to pain and misery.

[WarriorDiplomat]

[QUOTE=cbtengr;622923]I am am sitting here 10' from the ashes of my recently deceased brother, he was 62 not all that old by today's standards. He gave up all drugs, booze and cigarettes 20 years ago but the 25 years before that he abused them all mercilessly. His body in last twenty years was aged beyond belief he was like a little man all bent over and crippled.
We all obviously have our own opinions on this matter, I do not have to have had my ass kicked by a a drunk or have seen anyone die of liver failure to have formed my opinion or bias. I saw my brother commit slow suicide the last 45 years. SF718 you don't have the market cornered when it comes to pain and misery.

My mother died at 62 having never smoked marijuana or any drug other than alcohol on occasion and cigarettes a pack or more a day and she looked like she was in her 80's. She was however recommended she go to Colorado by a conservative Cowboy Dr. treating her cancer so she could have a MMJ prescription to relieve her symptoms and return her appetite.

Years of propaganda has taken its toll on America when it comes to MJ we all know people who have used it and guaranteed we are not aware of how widespread use is by successful people. I have been surprised more than once.

When I was 17 I partied like any other at that age but one difference is going to parties where local law enforcement, lawyers, judges etc....were their sharing with me a minor with alcohol. MJ and friends who dealt cocaine had told me some of their customers were cutouts known to take care of judges etc....

Having come from the other side of the tracks and like some know full well the hypocrisy of those who are supposed the clean upstanding members of society the supposed watchdogs, especially when you are a kid in the 80's being at a kegger with cops one day then getting an underaged minor charge from one of those at the kegger.

Bottom line is criminals are criminals with or without drugs, drugs amplify criminal tendencies. Yes coming from a family of addicts I(3 of 4 brothers and 1 sister) too am aware the pull addictive drugs can have on an otherwise good persons values. Desperation to get another fix is powerful...and criminal acts can result.

How many times people have had someone slip them a drug unbeknownst in their drink and then are exposed to the heavier more addictive drugs out there....I know of this happening.....should we deny them NARCAN or how about babies born addicted who struggle their whole life with it and unlike many have started out life as a defenseless infant fighting addiction and cycle continues as they pass this on.

MJ has never in my exposure being fairly robust /has never factored into this except as commonality between the wolves, watchdogs and sheep

[Razor]

Originally Posted by SF718

any chance you can counter these numbers with weed? Maybe you should re consider your bias's.

Got it, man--you support legalizing recreational pot. Good for you. Unless you've lived in CO, WA, OR or AK the last couple years, you're merely speculating (with your own biases, I might point out) about what it would be like to live under such an arrangement. Some of us have actually spent several years 'in the arena', and bring some of the unique insight that goes with first hand experience.

Regardless, following several states voting to legalize weed last November, it appears the trend is going the way you prefer, and we very well may see nationalized legal weed in the near future. Let's all hope you're right about how harmless this will be to our society.

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Originally Posted by cbtengr

I am am sitting here 10' from the ashes of my recently deceased brother, he was 62 not all that old by today's standards. He gave up all drugs, booze and cigarettes 20 years ago but the 25 years before that he abused them all mercilessly. His body in last twenty years was aged beyond belief he was like a little man all bent over and crippled.

We all obviously have our own opinions on this matter, I do not have to have had my ass kicked by a a drunk or have seen anyone die of liver failure to have formed my opinion or bias. I saw my brother commit slow suicide the last 45 years. SF718 you don't have the market cornered when it comes to pain and misery.

Sorry for your personal pain and misery, but an individual's personal behavior is not IMO reason for marijuana to be illegal.

[SF0]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

I am am sitting here 10' from the ashes of my recently deceased brother, he was 62 not all that old by today's standards. He gave up all drugs, booze and cigarettes 20 years ago but the 25 years before that he abused them all mercilessly. His body in last twenty years was aged beyond belief he was like a little man all bent over and crippled.

We all obviously have our own opinions on this matter, I do not have to have had my ass kicked by a a drunk or have seen anyone die of liver failure to have formed my opinion or bias. I saw my brother commit slow suicide the last 45 years. SF718 you don't have the market cornered when it comes to pain and misery.

My father died suddenly at 61 from a piss poor diet. Shall I base my choices regarding personal freedom on emotion? If so, I support the ban of all unhealthy foods.