Another islamic terrorist shooting in a Gun-Free Zone - Page 6

10-06-2015, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Some residance of Roseberg say Obama not http://bearingarms.com/oregon-town-b...paign=baupdate

Those very same "residance" would be blasting the President for being disrespectful if he had said he wasn't going to come.

Bleed Green · 10-06-2015, 16:27

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Originally Posted by SF-TX

Perhaps you could elaborate. As it reads now, that statement is open to misinterpretation, or not.

Sorry that I missed this previously SF. I was busy dealing with hail damage and didn't see it. I think what I was trying to allude to was something that others brought up about willingness and was not meant as a slight of anybody. My brother is an example, because he holds a CCW in 2 states, but his sole motivation is to protect his family and outside of that it is not to wade into a fray. I respect that but by the same token would I have the same motivation? Not at all because I personally feel an obligation to try and make a difference to my fellow man, as I suspect everybody here probably feels the same way. That was all I was alluding to when I posted and the intent was not to slight anybody as I have always been a firm believer in CCW permits as I know the deterrent effect they tend to have on the criminal population. I hope that cleared up any misconception that my thoughts may have conveyed.

SF-TX · 10-06-2015, 19:23

Thanks for the clarification.

Bleed Green · 10-06-2015, 19:34

Not a problem at all. I usually try to respond as soon as possible, but with all the hail damage the house took over the weekend it has been hectic trying to get temp fixes in place to keep from incurring more damage.

PSM · 10-06-2015, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Bleed Green

...but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated?

Who knows, but if someone else engages first, they may well back them up. They certainly can't if they are not armed. A CCW doesn't require you to be a hero. It just gives you the chance.

As to TS's comment about the Air Force, the E-3 AF guy did what the E-4 Army guy told him to in France. There's hope yet!

Pat

**Team Sergeant** · 10-07-2015, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Bleed Green

I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.

How would you propose keeping an active shooter "engaged"?

And unless you're wearing a cop or security uniform at the time please explain how a LEO responding to the "active shooter" call differentiates between you and the shooter?

Let me offer some advice, you either join the fray and engage quickly and decisively or like the AF guy, stay out of the way and live. There's no "keeping the shooter engaged" plan.

Bleed Green · 10-07-2015, 16:36

I believe it was you TS that said don't follow the Sheeple and that is exactly what we are being taught and expect to take the fight to the assailant as it generally takes them by surprise since they expect nobody will be armed and fight back. I think that post where you authored that was spot on. I have always worried about having a blue on blue incident just as much as having limited ammunition but to me it always seems like if you fight back and get them contained in one area, particularly if they have no escape but through you, they tend to end the fight on their own and that may be your best bet to surviving the encounter. Like you said, quick and decisive usually prevails and if it ever happens I pray that you and the instructors are correct.

**Team Sergeant** · 10-07-2015, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Bleed Green

I believe it was you TS that said don't follow the Sheeple and that is exactly what we are being taught and expect to take the fight to the assailant as it generally takes them by surprise since they expect nobody will be armed and fight back. I think that post where you authored that was spot on. I have always worried about having a blue on blue incident just as much as having limited ammunition but to me it always seems like if you fight back and get them contained in one area, particularly if they have no escape but through you, they tend to end the fight on their own and that may be your best bet to surviving the encounter. Like you said, quick and decisive usually prevails and if it ever happens I pray that you and the instructors are correct.

What's the motto of the British 22 SAS?

Sohei · 10-07-2015, 16:42

Most target schools and such because of the fact that they are gun free and extremely soft. History shows they don't want to be confronted -- much less isolated -- and usually end it of their own accord.

Old Dog New Trick · 10-07-2015, 18:02

It was reported today that two 'detectives' were first to arrive. Exchanged fire and the POS was struck once in the right side. It was at this time the POS retreated back into a room and killed himself.

Anyone wanna bet the detectives were wearing street clothes?

Sohei · 10-07-2015, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie

That happened at the Portland mall a couple years ago. A guy pulled down to take out the shooter. He did not pull the trigger because he lacked a clear shot but says the shooter seen him, went to a hidden area and killed himself. Not sure why but they seem to prefer to kill themselves than going down fighting, the thinking of a coward is my theory.

I think that part of it is that many of them don't feel they have control over many parts of their lives.

In this way...they do the planning and the carrying out of those plans.

They have the guns and call the proverbial shots on unsuspecting and unprotected "easy" targets who more than likely have no way of protecting themselves.

Then...once someone comes along who has weapons and "know-how", suddenly the rules change and they can no longer "call the shots" thus they end it on their own terms because they know that in the end...they will "lose again" unless they do so.

That's just my take on it.