Who Am I? - Page 6

**Pete** · 04-15-2006, 15:52

Hey Sdiver;

Let this one sit until the big guns get back from doing taxes and such. Lets see if somebody can come up with the answer by Monday.

Pete

Man-o-man are the welfare people in NC going to be happy this year. I could fund my kids college with the taxes I'm giving away. My girls, ya gotta love um. They said "That's OK Daddy, we'll work hard, get good grades and get as many grants and scholarships as we can to help out."

Sdiver · 04-15-2006, 16:01

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Hey Sdiver;

Let this one sit until the big guns get back from doing taxes and such. Lets see if somebody can come up with the answer by Monday.

Pete

Roger that.

I know A.L. knows it, so he's DQ'd.

I was going to start giving out other "hints", but I can wait awhile longer.

04-15-2006, 17:41

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Man-o-man are the welfare people in NC going to be happy this year. I could fund my kids college with the taxes I'm giving away. My girls, ya gotta love um. They said "That's OK Daddy, we'll work hard, get good grades and get as many grants and scholarships as we can to help out."

Very, very nice. You must be doing something right.

Martin

Sdiver · 04-17-2006, 22:34

Okay...hint time.

Remember, this guys claim to fame came AFTER that photo was taken.

He asked Americans, at one time, to look for something under their beds.

112thSOLCA · 04-18-2006, 06:17

This one had me stumped....

The hint was too generous. My guess is Joe McCarthy.

SF18C · 04-18-2006, 11:57

Joe McCarthy

I never really liked that guy!

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When the United States entered the Second Word War McCarthy resigned as a circuit judge and joined the Marines. After the war McCarthy ran against Robert La Follette to become Republican candidate for the senate. As one of his biographers has pointed out, his campaign posters pictured him in "full fighting gear, with an aviator's cap, and belt upon belt of machine gun ammunition wrapped around his bulky torso." He claimed he had completed thirty-two missions when in fact he had a desk job and only flew in training exercises.

**Airbornelawyer** · 04-18-2006, 12:09

Reminds me of Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who claimed to have flown missions in Vietnam. IIRC, it was later revealed that he was stationed in Japan, and on a couple of occasions had delivered repaired aircraft from repair shops there to bases in Vietnam.

**Airbornelawyer** · 04-18-2006, 12:14

Here's one - maybe not too difficult...

Tuukka · 04-19-2006, 04:51

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Here's one - maybe not too difficult...

WO2 Keith Payne VC

**Airbornelawyer** · 04-19-2006, 09:06

OK, a harder one. The colonel on the left.

Your clues:

1. It is in Korea, but he is most definitely not Korean.
2. Notwithstanding the holster, he is not American.
3. The file name is a hint.

You can also try to place the general on the right, but since he's a two-star wearing a division patch, it is fairly obvious what his job was.

vsvo · 04-19-2006, 09:12

He's Filipino.

COL Salvador Abcede, Philippine 20th BCT.

112thSOLCA · 04-19-2006, 09:17

Col Salvador Abcede of Philippine 20 BCT and MG Robert H. Soule 3rd ID

vsvo · 04-19-2006, 09:46

Another soldier from the early days of SF, from Greece to the beginning of Vietnam.

Credited with designing the flash for a certain SF Group.

**Airbornelawyer** · 04-19-2006, 11:13

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He's Filipino.

COL Salvador Abcede, Philippine 20th BCT.

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Col Salvador Abcede of Philippine 20 BCT and MG Robert H. Soule 3rd ID

OK, maybe not as hard as I thought, or too many clues.

Abcede, as a Lt. Col. received the Distinguished Service Cross in 1945 for his actions as a guerrilla leader on Negros. So he may deserve to be included with other U.S. Army officers (the Philippine Army was part of the U.S. Army then) like Wendell Fertig and Russell Volckmann among the forefathers of Special Forces, the men who conducted FID/UW in World War II.

I think we've discussed before who are the true antecedents of SF, rather than the official ones, mainly in connection with the 1st Special Service Force (more a commando/Ranger-type force than an SF one). My impression is that the main forefathers in WWII were the various OSS teams (OGs, Detachment 101 and Jedburghs) and the Philippine guerrilla leaders, the men who developed UW theory and put it into practice. The more DA-oriented units like the Ranger infantry battalions, Merrill's Marauders and the 1SSF are part of the special operations heritage, but not as directly related to SF.

vsvo · 04-19-2006, 11:46

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...or too many clues.

In my case, yes.

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Abcede, as a Lt. Col. received the Distinguished Service Cross in 1945 for his actions as a guerrilla leader on Negros. So he may deserve to be included with other U.S. Army officers (the Philippine Army was part of the U.S. Army then) like Wendell Fertig and Russell Volckmann among the forefathers of Special Forces, the men who conducted FID/UW in World War II.

Fertig is covered quite a bit in a couple of WEB Griffin's books. I know it's fiction, but the response of GEN MacArthur and his staff to Fertig was fascinating, and provided an impetus for further research on my part.