Who is TRAAWW??

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

I read that as she was suspended from the Honor Guard only and not from duty....They should put them on legal hold at the reserve center/armory and make them report everyday for shit duty....

I think she needs to be put on AD. Not sure UCMJ can reach out and touch someone if they are part-timers. Maybe one of the 1L's from JAG can verify??

[JimP]

Can't involuntarily MOB her without presidential/SECDEF call-up. Wisconsin has it's own UCMJ schematic (as do all the States - they are not "uniform" nor universal; it is NOT the UCMJ we are familiar with). She obviously did this on duty status. They will handle this but it will take three-to-four times as long as they only have two days a month to work this stuff. of course, there are full-timers who will pitch in but the Guard still has a high level of "good-buddy, jack-assery" within the ranks that will make your jaw drop.

Remember - this is a State issue (so far as criminal issues); the Guard is one of the last vestiges of federalism in this country. The feds don't have a say in this, unless a US Attny steps in under some Constitutional issue or concurrent jurisidictional violation.

I'll keep my ears peeled.

[Stiletto11]

I believe anything now a days. I just read an article that the Army is making men do PT with fake boobs and fake pregnant bellies so they know what a pregnant women feels like when they do PT. WTF?

[Loadsmasher]

Originally Posted by JimP

Can't involuntarily MOB her without presidential/SECDEF call-up. Wisconsin has it's own UCMJ schematic (as do all the States - they are not "uniform" nor universal; it is NOT the UCMJ we are familiar with). She obviously did this on duty status. They will handle this but it will take three-to-four times as long as they only have two days a month to work this stuff. of course, there are full-timers who will pitch in but the Guard still has a high level of "good-buddy, jack-assery" within the ranks that will make your jaw drop.

Remember - this is a State issue (so far as criminal issues); the Guard is one of the last vestiges of federalism in this country. The feds don't have a say in this, unless a US Attny steps in under some Constitutional issue or concurrent jurisidictional violation.

I'll keep my ears peeled.

In Texas we have the TCMJ, it's almost a photo copy of the UCMJ. Our Honor Guards are on active duty under Title 32 for specific amounts of time usually 1 year and have to resubmit a packet every year to stay on. I'm pretty sure that the unit has one or two AGRs but that is what we do. Also, our JAG section has more Officers on full-time status than my whole BN, so dont bet on them dragging their feet. Especially with every swinging richard with eagles or better staring over their shoulder.

The good buddy, jackassery comment is completly accurate, I could write a book.

[lindy]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

I think she needs to be put on AD. Not sure UCMJ can reach out and touch someone if they are part-timers. Maybe one of the 1L's from JAG can verify??

Not a JAG but MS granted has similar military authority to commanders when we're on title 32.

Here's WI's laws (includes the same Art 134 we all know):

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/322

[Sdiver]

Looks as if a second one of these ... 'individuals' ... has been suspended as well.

Second soldier suspended for defending flag-draped casket photo


MILWAUKEE - A second Wisconsin National Guard member has been suspended in an investigation stemming from a photograph showing soldiers clowning around by an empty flag-draped casket, a Guard spokesman said Wednesday.

Sgt. Luis Jimenez was suspended because of comments he posted on social media defending the photo, which was taken at a guard training facility, spokesman Maj. Paul Rickert said.

"He has been suspended from his duties as a funeral honors team member until the investigation is complete," Rickert said.

Jimenez' comments have since been taken down, but in a screen shot confirmed by Rickert he defended the woman who originally posted the photo.

"She isn't disrespecting anyone," Jimenez wrote of Spc. Terry Harrison. "... It's actually a selfless commitment she has made. These practice sessions are very long. It's good to let loose a little. When your job constantly asked you to be serious. And no there's no one in the casket."

Jimenez was Harrison's task leader, or supervisor, in the Madison, Wis.-based 1st Battalion, 147th Aviation Regiment. Harrison also was suspended.

No public telephone number for Jimenez could be found. Rickert said he would pass on a message from The Associated Press seeking comment.

The photograph shows soldiers mugging for the camera around the empty casket. It shows 14 men and women posing, some lightheartedly. Two pairs of men hug playfully, another man has his back turned and is pointing off in the distance, and a kneeling woman flashes a peace sign.

The caption reads, "We put the FUN in funeral - your fearless honor guard from various states."

The photo, which originally was posted on Instagram, has sparked a furor online, drawing angry comments from people calling the picture disrespectful of veterans and those killed in action.

Rickert wouldn't say whether any other Wisconsin soldiers would be reprimanded, saying he couldn't comment while the investigation was ongoing.

Gen. Frank J. Grass, head of the National Guard Bureau in Washington, D.C., said Wednesday he ordered the investigation to what he called a "disgraceful incident."

"This image is in very poor taste and clearly does not represent the values of the National Guard," he said in a statement. "I am confident the Army National Guard will quickly resolve this matter and take swift and appropriate action. Funeral duties are sacred and America's fallen deserve nothing less than our deepest respect."

Attempts to reach Harrison by phone and email have been unsuccessful. The National Guard has taken steps to protect her after she received death threats through social media and other means, Rickert said.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...d-casket-photo

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Looks as if a second one of these ... 'individuals' ... has been suspended as well.

"She isn't disrespecting anyone," Jimenez wrote of Spc. Terry Harrison. "... It's actually a selfless commitment she has made. These practice sessions are very long. It's good to let loose a little. When your job constantly asked you to be serious. And no there's no one in the casket."

Jimenez was Harrison's task leader, or supervisor, in the Madison, Wis.-based 1st Battalion, 147th Aviation Regiment. Harrison also was suspended.

Eat SH*T you low-life coward, honestly, from one civilian to another, go out and eat some!

May you Never have a day of rest, peace or prosperity living off of the Bravery, Courage and Sacrifice of REAL MEN who have fought, bled and Died for This Country!

Hope you burn.

Holly

[FlagDayNCO]

There IS a difference, as I learned of a NJ Nasty Guard NCO violating the regs. As a Full-Time AGR NCO, the State MIL IG and Lawyers built a case in support of his CofC. NJ State Civilian lawyers stepped in and had the charges dropped, as they declared him protected as a State Employee and only subject to State regulations - not even Military.

The AGR play the game of State Technician or call themselves "Full-Time Army", as they see fit. Interesting thing was though he wore E7 rank and an Army uniform, the Big Army only considered him an E4. State Technicians have their own promotion system, even though they wear Army uniforms. They nominate each other for AGR Technician vacancies and then promote each other.

Someone at the IG got pissed and Big Army came in to prosecute him, as the equipment he made "lost", was still property of Uncle Sam.

Back to original thread...

This piece of crap may be WI ARNG, but she violated numerous regulations. CofC should be able to process her right out of the military, no questions asked. That the media reports she is "suspended" and we have discussed that "the lawyers" have to review this, is BEYOND ME. The future sees the ACLU and NAACP coming to her rescue.

Where oh where has the military gone? Obviously, the Progressive Liberal Socialists are having their way by flooding the uniformed services with all of these creatures that do not understand their obligation in being a member of the United States Army.

Somewhere in WI, there must be some NCOs who understand the need for dimensional lumber to be brought in.

[Monsoon65]

Jimenez ought to have his ass kicked for that stupid statement. "Long hours of practice". Wow, cry me a river.

Both of these shitbirds are in an Aviation Regiment. I don't think either should be removed from the Honor Guard detail. I think they ought to stay on it.

Next time they have a helicopter crash, they get to be involved in every facet of the recovery and investigation. They get to do body recovery and fly back with the body bags. Or ride the medevac with the injured crew.

They get to go to the hospital while the medics try to match pieces and parts.

And they especially get to go with the CoC as they explain to the crying families why someone isn't coming home that night. Wonder if they'll have a "fun funeral" planned for them?

[JJ_BPK]

Wisconsin is getting more than a little air time..

Army Discharged Wisconsin Kidnap Suspect
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Associated Press | Feb 20, 2014 | by Ryan J. Foley

IOWA CITY, Iowa - The woman charged with kidnapping her half sister's newborn this month had been discharged from the U.S. Army Reserve after about a year of service, military officials say.

Kristen Smith served in a Wisconsin-based unit from December 2011 until her removal in December 2012, the Army's Human Resources Command in Fort Knox, Ky., said this week following an inquiry from The Associated Press.

An involuntary discharge that early into an 8-year commitment signals major problems either with one's service or personal life, but the reason for Smith's cannot be divulged under Army policy, said Army Reserve spokesman Lt. Col. Matthew Lawrence. Such discharges are rare and typically done when soldiers fail to complete training, face legal issues or are seriously injured, he said.

"For one that early, there would be probably something administratively that would have forced their hand to discharge her," he said.

Army spokesman Ray Gall said her departure is considered an "entry-level discharge" since she had slightly less than one year of service. He said it was not the result of a crime or a court martial, but that he could not elaborate under Army policy.


http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...tml?ESRC=eb.nl

[AngelsSix]

Simple solution to a long term problem:

No more cell phones on duty, unless you are a senior NCO, as in E-6 and above. All potential members of military service will be briefed on acceptable standards for online conduct. If they are caught doing garbage like this, out they go. Better men and women are being riffed out for less.

We need to start with replacing our recruiting teams. I think more than a few of our problems in the military start there.

[Richard]

And so it goes...

Richard

2 Soldiers In Casket Photo Flap Permanently Removed
ArmyTimes, 22 May 2014

http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...nently-removed

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Richard

And so it goes...

Richard

2 Soldiers In Casket Photo Flap Permanently Removed
ArmyTimes, 22 May 2014

http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...nently-removed

Well what about UCMJ, reduction in rank and forfiture of pay?

Taking them off of a detail "Really harsh punishment"