11-10-2012, 18:40
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Originally Posted by BrokenSwitch
If it's true that GEN Ham had no In-Extremis Force, or any other response capability... then why was he even in the chain of command?
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I'm sure that, at some point, Congress will ask him if the 200-man Marine TF he briefed them on in his annual posture statement - broken into 14-man dets that rotate thru Sigonella - were all on leave.
Post-election there are simply lots of things that will just wither. The list is long.
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11-11-2012, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Stargazer
Where is Gen. Petraeus in all of this?
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in bed with his friend
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11-11-2012, 17:31
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"Go 'way! Can't you see I'm busy!?"
http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-...rticle/2513151
House investigators asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify next week about the September 11 terrorist attack in Benghazi, but she declined citing a scheduling conflict.
“[Clinton] was asked to appear at House Foreign Affairs next week, and we have written back to the Chairman to say that she’ll be on travel next week,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters yesterday. “She has a commitment with the Secretary of Defense to the AUSMIN Ministerial.” Per AFP, “AUSMIN is the highest level forum for Australia and US consultation on foreign policy, defense and strategic issues.” The United States is reportedly concerned about Australia’s plan to cut their defense spending.
Clinton has not been asked to testify at any of the other hearings next week, Nuland said.
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., has been frustrated with the State Department’s failure to provide information that she has requested.
“While I understand that investigations by the FBI and the State Department’s own Accountability Review Board are ongoing, it is imperative that this Committee, having direct oversight responsibility, be kept informed every step of the way of developments in the matter,” Ros-Lehtinen wrote to Clinton on November 7th. “[P]lease be prepared to present State Department officials to testify on these issues when Congress reconvenes later this month.”
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11-11-2012, 17:41
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House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., has been frustrated with the State Department’s failure to provide information that she has requested.
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She should go ask Darrell Issa for advice since he's done so well with the DoJ.
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11-13-2012, 18:34
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The flood gates are open, and hopefully soon they will be blown off the hinges.
http://wolf.house.gov/press-releases...nghazi-attack/
Representative Frank Wolf (VA R.) calls for select committee to investigate Benghazi and subsequent revelations surrounding the White House, DOJ and CIA.
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11-13-2012, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
The flood gates are open, and hopefully soon they will be blown off the hinges.
http://wolf.house.gov/press-releases...nghazi-attack/
Representative Frank Wolf (VA R.) calls for select committee to investigate Benghazi and subsequent revelations surrounding the White House, DOJ and CIA.
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Thank you. While I've poked some fun at the increasing facets of the Petraeus resignation "affair" (pun 100% intended) this is something I want them to get on the table. And the House is the only direction it could come from.
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11-13-2012, 18:58
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
The flood gates are open, and hopefully soon they will be blown off the hinges.
http://wolf.house.gov/press-releases...nghazi-attack/
Representative Frank Wolf (VA R.) calls for select committee to investigate Benghazi and subsequent revelations surrounding the White House, DOJ and CIA.
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Should have been done over a month ago
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11-13-2012, 19:05
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Should have been done over a month ago 
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I agree, but it's not going to happen with this admin. The really sad part as I watch and read various forums and blogs is that those who voted to keep the status quo really don't care or understand why Benghazi is a total CF and the president's foreign policy is such a joke.
Let the impeachment trial begin.
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11-13-2012, 19:20
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Should have been done over a month ago 
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MOO, that it didn't happen sooner may be a blessing in disguise.
If the Select Committee is run in a bipartisan manner, the investigations and subsequent hearings can become a matter of institutional politics rather than electoral politics or party politics. A show down between Congress and the White House is long over due.
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11-13-2012, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Sigaba
MOO, that it didn't happen sooner may be a blessing in disguise.
If the Select Committee is run in a bipartisan manner, the investigations and subsequent hearings can become a matter of institutional politics rather than electoral politics or party politics. A show down between Congress and the White House is long over due.
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FWIW, I agree. This administration is inheriting it's own mess, and I am awaiting that showdown as well. The $64000 question is: Is it still Bush's fault during BHO round two?
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11-13-2012, 21:04
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The $64000 question is: Is it still Bush's fault during BHO round two?
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Yes.
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11-14-2012, 15:02
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She said, he says
POTUS says Amb. Rice shouldn't be taking the heat.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., one of the lawmakers Obama was addressing, swiftly fired back.
"Mr. President, don't think for one minute I don't hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack,"
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11-14-2012, 16:38
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What ever became of "it's the seriousness of the charge" or did that only count when the dems controlled the house and it was a republican administration being questioned? This is a bipartisan issue but will the other side stand up to the plate and have the guts to say enough is enough?
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11-14-2012, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
I agree, but it's not going to happen with this admin.
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I'll take that bet. If its not investigated by the Republican controlled House it sure wont be because the democratic administration is impeding it.
The Democrats got to the heart of Watergate and that was a long running criminal activity run by the AG and it was a full on coverup "ya'll going to jail lose your job Mr P" . Even the most stalwart Republicans recognized the truth and their obligation to the country -- first.
When this went south it did it on its own time schedule. There wasn't time to have a nefarious motive * for what happened. The rescue mission, I honestly don't know. I want an investigation of that. Decisions were made. Definitely.
Errors were made. Probably, good men are dead.
A cover up and a conspiracy to hide errors and maintain a cover up? I hope not but time will tell. I am ever hopeful. Even as a 16 YO I had a solid enough understanding of our government to really really hope what W&B were reporting was not true.
I am ever trusting, too. So let's go. . . Chips where they may . . . Truth will out . . . Bring it.
Personally, part of me hopes this ends up confirming the theory this really is about all the Generals and Admirals that have been relieved being part of a huge coup attempt in planning since the Air Force attempted to hold President Bush hostage with theB-52 that was "accidentally" loaded with a bomb-bay of nuclear weapons.
No Sh!t. I read it on the Internet..
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11-15-2012, 21:04
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Originally Posted by Firelord
A Question I would like to see asked and answered at the upcoming hearings on Benghazi in light of the Pentagon's recently released timeline. Keep in my mind I'm a layman here and I make no claims at being a tactician or strategist so my question may be self-explanatory to some.
In light of the multiple demonstrations across the middle east at American embassies, wouldn't it have been prudent to pre-position a quick reaction force somewhere? Particularly notable was the scaling of the embassy walls in Cairo, which I believe happened prior to the attack in Benghazi, which IMHO, should have made somebody nervous and say, "Hmm, maybe we should do something to be prepared in case an embassy is overun?"
While it seems to me that we are being spoon fed information; I still haven't seen anything that doesn't say we had a failure of leadership at the senior most level.
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FYI,
you could hit lybia with a slingshot from where I work. Italian gvt plays ball with uncle sam. US forces, across the board, use sigonella day in and day out.
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