18X Public Service Announcement

[SFSalRet08]

Originally Posted by the cpl

I appoligize for not famaliarizing myself with the sit more. Thanks for the wisdom I don't take criticism well but I guess I should get used to it I thank you for it.

The cpl,
This will be straight and to the point. YOU are a guest, and jumping back at a fellow QP is not only going to draw unwanted attention, is going to get you in the Ban-User area. You are luck that the Team Sergeant or Reaper have not jumped on you yet. And I say yet, because I am sure as soon as they read this your toast. As far as you not taking “criticism well”, you better start growing that thick skin. I do not know your background or what units you have served in, but when you go (if you go) to SFAS you are going to be criticized all day long. And trust me no one is going to be say “Good job candidate”. So like you were told. More reading and less posting. In saying that I DO NOT expect any comment from you on my post to you. Take it as GOOD advice! Pick your ruck up Jonny and start rucking.

[Number5]

I deleted my facebook many, many months ago... or so I thought. Sure enough after reading this thread, I go to log back in and it reactivates instantly, I had no clue they kept everything up there for good. So I went along and untagged myself from every pic, deleted all of my pics, and deleted all info on there. Luckily I never used my real first name so no searches for that come up. But a big thanks for posting this as I was not aware of facebook's evil ways.

Thanks all

[Number5]

I agree that Internet dependency is rising each generation, sadly.. It is a strange thought that SF forces years ago were unseen, and that [possibly] future SF forces have their faces posted all over the web for everyone. It would either bring extremely less recruits on, or increase the military's ability to control/delete content for oncoming recruits.

One thing on recent ads I've seen (which I don't know if it's a correct statistic or not) Is that 1 out of 5 relationships start online.... Online!!! Holy **** what are we doing?!? I think the Internet craze needs to be tuned down a bit..

[Intel_Geek]

Net is social. As in, a society. Not too long ago in industrialized countries relationships were starting at church. AT CHURCH?!?! Or through our parents. Society is society. As long as those pixels eventually turn into actual people, I'm pretty open about it. Now...here on this side of the Pacific, there are jokers pushing to marry computer programs and cartoon characters. I'm sitting next to a woman right now that has been unhappily married for 25 years in an arranged marriage. Call me somewhere between Nu Skool and Old School, but hooking up via the Net and hooking up via someone else's arrangement is equally screwy.

I think, as per OPSEC--that good old buzzword--it's only an issue on those 'social network' sites if someone can connect the dots from there to your [past, present or future] operational capacity. In fact, there are plenty of books, and tidbits in here, that even a mediocre geek like me can [and have] use[d] to find out who you are...and where you've been. These networking sites are just another tool to add to your, or anyone's, Open Source Tool Box. Not saying you should embrace these sites and go out and start collecting friends you'll never meet in real life, but this type of convo starts to tread close to bar codes and bio-chips.

And I'm still curious about how exactly SOCOM units are using these aforementioned "OPSEC-breaching" social networking sites as a first-line recruiting tool. I have mailed a few of these 'users' at their .mils and have yet to receive a reply...whereas, jokers posting up on the user's FB page get a reply literally within hours.

I may not be understanding that 'linkable' participation on these sites doesn't necessarily preclude you from things like going 18X or getting a clearance, but *will* necessarily preclude you from certain high speed long-hair options down the line. But then again, I happen to know a few of those types who are online and chatting. So, that preclusion might not be the case, in reality. Or...maybe we're back to making sure that there is no traceable, linkable chain between your trigger time and your chatting time. Posting your QC pics or your daily SITREP from the 'box so your fam can know what's going on really shows just a complete lack of [military] intelligence or responsibility on your part. Or even posting up your USAF PAST or SEAL Challenge results. That sh*t is just a complete lack of foresight on your part.

Doesn't mean you should stop posting on FB, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't mean those sites are to blame for anything other than being a forum for people's idiocy, SOF personnel or otherwise. You should always watch what you say, on the net or in the DFAC. Blaming technology for Charlie's ability to now better track and exploit said idiocy is only going to result in a weird perspective. And this little problem of people posting all their pre-selection info is only really going to result in smarter people hitting the Pipeline or BUD/S or SFAS. Am I missing how that's not a win?

Respectfully,

mbs

[SF_BHT]

Intel_Geek

Net is social. As in, a society. Not too long ago in industrialized countries relationships were starting at church. AT CHURCH?!?! Or through our parents. Society is society. As long as those pixels eventually turn into actual people, I'm pretty open about it. Now...here on this side of the Pacific, there are jokers pushing to marry computer programs and cartoon characters. I'm sitting next to a woman right now that has been unhappily married for 25 years in an arranged marriage. Call me somewhere between Nu Skool and Old School, but hooking up via the Net and hooking up via someone else's arrangement is equally screwy.

Drink less Post your bottom line up front. Go back and learn how to write and quit all of this run on babble.

I think, as per OPSEC--that good old buzzword--it's only an issue on those 'social network' sites if someone can connect the dots from there to your [past, present or future] operational capacity. In fact, there are plenty of books, and tidbits in here, that even a mediocre geek like me can [and have] use[d] to find out who you are...and where you've been. These networking sites are just another tool to add to your, or anyone's, Open Source Tool Box. Not saying you should embrace these sites and go out and start collecting friends you'll never meet in real life, but this type of convo starts to tread close to bar codes and bio-chips.

Why help the opposition. Good old human to human interaction is way better than cyber babble. You write to some hot chick and her name is really Bob and he is setting in his house naked and dreaming about you. Get in-touch with reality.

And I'm still curious about how exactly SOCOM units are using these aforementioned "OPSEC-breaching" social networking sites as a first-line recruiting tool. I have mailed a few of these 'users' at their .mils and have yet to receive a reply...whereas, jokers posting up on the user's FB page get a reply literally within hours.

You may not get a reply if you wrote to them like your post here.

I may not be understanding that 'linkable' participation on these sites doesn't necessarily preclude you from things like going 18X or getting a clearance, but *will* necessarily preclude you from certain high speed long-hair options down the line. But then again, I happen to know a few of those types who are online and chatting. So, that preclusion might not be the case, in reality. Or...maybe we're back to making sure that there is no traceable, linkable chain between your trigger time and your chatting time. Posting your QC pics or your daily SITREP from the 'box so your fam can know what's going on really shows just a complete lack of [military] intelligence or responsibility on your part. Or even posting up your USAF PAST or SEAL Challenge results. That sh*t is just a complete lack of foresight on your part.

Are you sure?

Doesn't mean you should stop posting on FB, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't mean those sites are to blame for anything other than being a forum for people's idiocy, SOF personnel or otherwise. You should always watch what you say, on the net or in the DFAC. Blaming technology for Charlie's ability to now better track and exploit said idiocy is only going to result in a weird perspective. And this little problem of people posting all their pre-selection info is only really going to result in smarter people hitting the Pipeline or BUD/S or SFAS. Am I missing how that's not a win?

It is not weird from where we sit. As stated before why help the opposition. If you feel so pressed to cyber post go for it but look for another job..... Smarter is in the eyes of the beholder. I have known so many "Smart People" that could not even change a blown light switch. Does that make him dumb "No" just massively challenged. SF is looking for well rounded people.

Now go back to hitting on that depressed married lady and DO MORE SEARCHES and a WHOLE LOT LESS POSTING.

PS: Learn how to write. That run on post hurt my head.......

[Intel_Geek]

Bottom line at the top: Man, you really just missed about everything I wrote. Go back and try that again, please.

Sorry to hurt your head. Reading can do that. Attention to detail is really a ball buster sometimes.

Drink less? Are you serious? That's what you got out of this? I don't drink much, especially at work. Too bad you were somehow led to believe that.

'Post' should not be capitalized, but I do get your point. I posted my "bottom line" up front. First sentence; as a reply to the post above mine. I appreciate your writing suggestions, but I disagree with them. There were no grammatically incorrect or inappropriate sentences. Unless you consider sentence structure beyond Subj/Verb/Obj inappropriate. I was not briefing, I was writing. HUGE difference...

But, I bet this has nothing to do with your or my command of the English language, does it?

I completely agree with your assessment of human-to-human contact. In fact, I greatly prefer it. And I'm not much of a "chatter". I don't tend to take for granted anything, really, much less information about someone online. For all I know, you are Sayid and the border you are south of has a -stan in the title, but I trust this site enough not to share much about myself or make too many assumptions about your status.

I also agree that you should never do anything to help the opposition. You may have missed that part when I said you were an idiot for sharing that kind of information on the Net (an unsecured source). You should check that part again. I was under the impression, perhaps falsely (given then initial post), that anyone being a member of any of those sites would or could be disallowed from attending courses like SFAS. So, if you *did* post on those sites, you would not be attending said course. Not following basic instructions is a pretty big disqualifier, I'd say--and not a very "smart" decision. And not posting your info online, it seems, is a pretty big basic instruction. If I am to understand the initial post.

I would hope that recruiters could deal with all levels of literacy, BHT, but I would welcome more English suggestions on your part. I always see room for improvement.

[Underlined portion.] Yes. I am quite sure. Are you?

As I stated before--rather clearly--you should never help the opposition. You should never post your personal info online. Up to and including anything and everything regarding your "[past, present and future] operational capacity". *I* do not feel so pressed to "cyber post", and therefore don't. And I am not looking for a job, but thank you.

WHOLE LOT LESS POSTING

Yes, my 4 post count (5 now, you shoulda caught that one) would show how little reading I do here and how much I run my mouth. That standard substandard reply doesn't really fit here, though I do understand you think you disagree with my post. If you actually read it--and I know it was a bit verbose--you would see that we are more or less on the same page here, BHT.

PS: Cut and paste less. Re-reading my stuff really hurt my head...

[LongWire]

You both bring up valid points and agree upon more than you may realize.

Geek........Verbal (as in typed) abuse of QP's (FOG) here is not tolerated. Tread a finer line. I'm not amused and Im sure the Reaper or TS will be less so themselves.
Consider yourself warned........


Thanks for your service Gents..........

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by Intel_Geek

Bottom line at the top: Man, you really just missed about everything I wrote. Go back and try that again, please.

Sorry to hurt your head. Reading can do that. Attention to detail is really a ball buster sometimes.

...

This just became my new favorite thread...I suspect it's about to get a bit more interesting.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Intel_Geek

Bottom line at the top: Man, you really just missed about everything I wrote. Go back and try that again, please.

Sorry to hurt your head. Reading can do that. Attention to detail is really a ball buster sometimes.

Drink less? Are you serious? That's what you got out of this? I don't drink much, especially at work. Too bad you were somehow led to believe that.

'Post' should not be capitalized, but I do get your point. I posted my "bottom line" up front. First sentence; as a reply to the post above mine. I appreciate your writing suggestions, but I disagree with them. There were no grammatically incorrect or inappropriate sentences. Unless you consider sentence structure beyond Subj/Verb/Obj inappropriate. I was not briefing, I was writing. HUGE difference...

But, I bet this has nothing to do with your or my command of the English language, does it?

I completely agree with your assessment of human-to-human contact. In fact, I greatly prefer it. And I'm not much of a "chatter". I don't tend to take for granted anything, really, much less information about someone online. For all I know, you are Sayid and the border you are south of has a -stan in the title, but I trust this site enough not to share much about myself or make too many assumptions about your status.

I also agree that you should never do anything to help the opposition. You may have missed that part when I said you were an idiot for sharing that kind of information on the Net (an unsecured source). You should check that part again. I was under the impression, perhaps falsely (given then initial post), that anyone being a member of any of those sites would or could be disallowed from attending courses like SFAS. So, if you *did* post on those sites, you would not be attending said course. Not following basic instructions is a pretty big disqualifier, I'd say--and not a very "smart" decision. And not posting your info online, it seems, is a pretty big basic instruction. If I am to understand the initial post.

I would hope that recruiters could deal with all levels of literacy, BHT, but I would welcome more English suggestions on your part. I always see room for improvement.

[Underlined portion.] Yes. I am quite sure. Are you?

As I stated before--rather clearly--you should never help the opposition. You should never post your personal info online. Up to and including anything and everything regarding your "[past, present and future] operational capacity". *I* do not feel so pressed to "cyber post", and therefore don't. And I am not looking for a job, but thank you.

Yes, my 4 post count (5 now, you shoulda caught that one) would show how little reading I do here and how much I run my mouth. That standard substandard reply doesn't really fit here, though I do understand you think you disagree with my post. If you actually read it--and I know it was a bit verbose--you would see that we are more or less on the same page here, BHT.

PS: Cut and paste less. Re-reading my stuff really hurt my head...

Intel Geek:

Verbal attack on a QP?

I take it that you are no longer in need of membership on this forum?

Feel free to take a few minutes and think this through before you reply.

TR

[SF_BHT]

Geek

First young man you are a guest here and I am one of the most tolerant QP's here.

Have you read all the sticky notes and rules yet? I take it that you have as you have just started to attack a QP on the board.

I will tell you I have more education under my belt than you probably will ever have and I was trying to write near your level since you seem to not understand the Basic English language.

You seem to have a really high opinion of your self but I will tell you if any of my children were rambling like you did I would have had to knock them back into reality.

Ref you're posting, I suggested that you stop Posting and do more research. If you read a lot more here you might have answered what ever circular question you were trying to ask.

I knew how many post you have done and I have read all of them prior to posting.

Look at it this way when you enter someone's home you should be polite and watch your actions and words. Well you have entered my house and basically Sh&t on the floor and told everyone so what. We are all brothers here and this is our house not yours

You have brought your self to the attention of my Brothers and they have given you some good guidance like I did. If I was a knee jerk reaction kind of person I would just ask the Admin's to kick your little arrogant self absorbed posting self off the board. But I will not. I prefer to see if you can grasp your situation and I will wait to see if you should stay or go.

PS: Cut and paste less. Re-reading my stuff really hurt my head...

????? That was almost the last straw…. TS/TR the ball is in your court…..

[Intel_Geek]

BHT, I am sorry. Please accept my sincerest apologies for disrespecting you and for not having represented myself and my thoughts better. I am grateful to have been allowed into your house. I am sorry I shit on your floor. I would never just say "so what" about something like that and would be grateful for the opportunity to clean that shit up and buy you a beer (figuratively) for having been such a jackass in your home, among your brothers, as a guest.

I apologize to you, and your brothers.

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My comments really were intended to be much more light-hearted than they came across. That is very hard to convey via text format--a reason I prefer person to person communication when at all possible. That last comment was meant to show that I agree that I wrote too much. I know I am verbose. I should have kept my points and my questions much more terse and to the point.

I do not have a high opinion of myself. Especially in comparison to others. I was in no way intending to challenge your level of education, though I know I did so. I would never, based on my writing, ever think highly enough of myself to think that I am arrogant. I am truly sorry that I came across that way.

I apologize, sincerely, for coming across as abusive. Confrontational, yes (only with the eye roll). Abuse--actual or perceived--was in no way intended. I would like to respectfully ask--whether I am a member here or not--that you please go back and re-read my post through the lens of me *not* taking myself too seriously or thinking less of others, and me actually being more conversational. It is important to me that you understand I was not meaning to disrespect you. I am sorry I took for granted that certain obvious core elements of my personality can never be conveyed textually without using several of those damned smilies. Which I tend to try to refrain from.

The Reaper (and Team Sergeant), I understand I have crossed a line. I understand you have ROEs here that I have breached through perceived disrespect and irresponsible posting. I accept responsibility for what I have done. I appreciate your time and all of the information I have gotten from this site. It has been vastly educational and has allowed me a greater level of understanding.

LW, I completely agree that we [BHT and I] agree on most of our points. I also apologize to you and the other QPs in this forum, my lack of responsibility in choosing the wording of my textual reply to match my much more jovial attitude about this exchange is inexcusable.

My intent was to have been conversational. I would never, under any circumstances think that I know more than the Professionals on this board, or assume that I have anything very relevant to add. I respectfully enter the door to this site almost daily. I have nothing but great respect for anyone who adds to this site. I have not [added to this site].

ALCON: I'm a jackass. I'm sorry.

Sincerely,

mbs

[SF_BHT]

Intel_Geek

Thank you for this post and people step on it and sometimes if given the chance they work their way out of the hole that they have dug and jumped into.

After a long week of hard but rewarding work I have thought about this and decided to respond.

I hope that you are sincere about what you sent via PM and have posted here. Think of this as a baseball game you have 2 strikes and it is the bottom of the 9Th.

I hope that you recover and work your way back. I have seen many in the same situation and the majority have not.

I am wiling to wait and see.

Good Luck

[Intel_Geek]

Roger, BHT. I've spit on my hands and am watching that ball...

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Intel_Geek

BHT, I am sorry. Please accept my sincerest apologies for disrespecting you and for not having represented myself and my thoughts better. I am grateful to have been allowed into your house. I am sorry I shit on your floor. I would never just say "so what" about something like that and would be grateful for the opportunity to clean that shit up and buy you a beer (figuratively) for having been such a jackass in your home, among your brothers, as a guest.

I apologize to you, and your brothers.

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My comments really were intended to be much more light-hearted than they came across. That is very hard to convey via text format--a reason I prefer person to person communication when at all possible. That last comment was meant to show that I agree that I wrote too much. I know I am verbose. I should have kept my points and my questions much more terse and to the point.

I do not have a high opinion of myself. Especially in comparison to others. I was in no way intending to challenge your level of education, though I know I did so. I would never, based on my writing, ever think highly enough of myself to think that I am arrogant. I am truly sorry that I came across that way.

I apologize, sincerely, for coming across as abusive. Confrontational, yes (only with the eye roll). Abuse--actual or perceived--was in no way intended. I would like to respectfully ask--whether I am a member here or not--that you please go back and re-read my post through the lens of me *not* taking myself too seriously or thinking less of others, and me actually being more conversational. It is important to me that you understand I was not meaning to disrespect you. I am sorry I took for granted that certain obvious core elements of my personality can never be conveyed textually without using several of those damned smilies. Which I tend to try to refrain from.

The Reaper (and Team Sergeant), I understand I have crossed a line. I understand you have ROEs here that I have breached through perceived disrespect and irresponsible posting. I accept responsibility for what I have done. I appreciate your time and all of the information I have gotten from this site. It has been vastly educational and has allowed me a greater level of understanding.

LW, I completely agree that we [BHT and I] agree on most of our points. I also apologize to you and the other QPs in this forum, my lack of responsibility in choosing the wording of my textual reply to match my much more jovial attitude about this exchange is inexcusable.

My intent was to have been conversational. I would never, under any circumstances think that I know more than the Professionals on this board, or assume that I have anything very relevant to add. I respectfully enter the door to this site almost daily. I have nothing but great respect for anyone who adds to this site. I have not [added to this site].

ALCON: I'm a jackass. I'm sorry.

Sincerely,

mbs

[Masochist]

I came across this video today while viewing another YouTube video linked on here. It serves as an excellent example of many of the points TR, TS and others have expressed regarding personal security and the internet. See how many things the poster does in this video alone that makes her a target.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii7eYSjyuJs